Endlers With Betta And What Bottom Feeder?

[MegaZerino]

I currently have a planted 65litre tank with 5 female bettas and a red dwarf gourami. I was wondering if endlers were compatable with them or if they would fight, if they do fight then what similar type of fish could i get?? I would also like to know what kind of bottom feeder or algae eater like a cory or an otto would be best because one of my bettas likes to spend a lot of time on the floor under a leaf and i dont want it to upset her.
thanks.

 

[the_lock_man]

Having seen your stocking list in your signature, I would suggest getting 3 more ottos, as they are sociable little fellas. You need to specifically feed them, though, you cannot rely on them surviving just on whatever algae there is in your aquarium.

That will leave you pretty full, I think. You may get away with a couple of male endlers, they will certainly be compatible with the bettas and gourami, I'm more worried about overstocking.

 

[MegaZerino]

Having seen your stocking list in your signature, I would suggest getting 3 more ottos, as they are sociable little fellas. You need to specifically feed them, though, you cannot rely on them surviving just on whatever algae there is in your aquarium.

That will leave you pretty full, I think. You may get away with a couple of male endlers, they will certainly be compatible with the bettas and gourami, I'm more worried about overstocking.

i have a very powerful filter so the system will be able to cope, plus the betta are very small and from what i can see dont seem to be pooing a lot. but my otto died, his mouth went bright red and he died within 12 hours and i never replaced him. my only problem with ottos is that when ive seen them they always seem to be either hiding in little bushes or bouncing over carpet plants, i have neither. Im using amazon swords for my background, ive got some java fern, and a few smaller plants at the front, can you recommend any bushier type plants for the ottos and also for the bettas so hide/explore??

 

[the_lock_man]

Having seen your stocking list in your signature, I would suggest getting 3 more ottos, as they are sociable little fellas. You need to specifically feed them, though, you cannot rely on them surviving just on whatever algae there is in your aquarium.

That will leave you pretty full, I think. You may get away with a couple of male endlers, they will certainly be compatible with the bettas and gourami, I'm more worried about overstocking.

i have a very powerful filter so the system will be able to cope, plus the betta are very small and from what i can see dont seem to be pooing a lot. but my otto died, his mouth went bright red and he died within 12 hours and i never replaced him. my only problem with ottos is that when ive seen them they always seem to be either hiding in little bushes or bouncing over carpet plants, i have neither. Im using amazon swords for my background, ive got some java fern, and a few smaller plants at the front, can you recommend any bushier type plants for the ottos and also for the bettas so hide/explore??

When considering stocking levels, you have to consider the size the fish will get to, not just what they are at currently, although I take your point about the powerful filter. If you no longer have the ottos, then a small plec like a bristlenose or pitbull as a bottom feeder and 3-4 male endlers will work a treat.

Planting is not my forte, I'm afraid. I'll leave that one to some who knows something.

 

[MegaZerino]

Having seen your stocking list in your signature, I would suggest getting 3 more ottos, as they are sociable little fellas. You need to specifically feed them, though, you cannot rely on them surviving just on whatever algae there is in your aquarium.

That will leave you pretty full, I think. You may get away with a couple of male endlers, they will certainly be compatible with the bettas and gourami, I'm more worried about overstocking.

i have a very powerful filter so the system will be able to cope, plus the betta are very small and from what i can see dont seem to be pooing a lot. but my otto died, his mouth went bright red and he died within 12 hours and i never replaced him. my only problem with ottos is that when ive seen them they always seem to be either hiding in little bushes or bouncing over carpet plants, i have neither. Im using amazon swords for my background, ive got some java fern, and a few smaller plants at the front, can you recommend any bushier type plants for the ottos and also for the bettas so hide/explore??

When considering stocking levels, you have to consider the size the fish will get to, not just what they are at currently, although I take your point about the powerful filter. If you no longer have the ottos, then a small plec like a bristlenose or pitbull as a bottom feeder and 3-4 male endlers will work a treat.

Planting is not my forte, I'm afraid. I'll leave that one to some who knows something.

thanks, the gourami wont grow any bigger, ive had him for a while, but i think the bettas might grow slightly, thanks, i completley forgot about plecos. and its ok, i will ask in the planting forum

 

[pablothebetta]

Alternatively for bottom dwellers, you could have some corys - they are favourites of mine. Pygmy cories grow to around 3/4" to 1", so you'd be able to have a good sized group in there. They tend to roam the middle-bottom regions of the tank as well as just the bottom. If you wanted something larger, you could try some of the larger cories, such as panda, peppered and bronze, which grow to around 1.5" to just short of 3" depending on species (pandas being the smaller, bronze the larger, peppered inbetween).

 

[MegaZerino]

Alternatively for bottom dwellers, you could have some corys - they are favourites of mine. Pygmy cories grow to around 3/4" to 1", so you'd be able to have a good sized group in there. They tend to roam the middle-bottom regions of the tank as well as just the bottom. If you wanted something larger, you could try some of the larger cories, such as panda, peppered and bronze, which grow to around 1.5" to just short of 3" depending on species (pandas being the smaller, bronze the larger, peppered inbetween).

what are the most colourful bottom dwellers (im trying to make my tank as colourful as pissible because of the bettas)

 

[pablothebetta]

Out of those that I mentioned, probably the bronze (golden) or pandas (black and white). The others are attractive too though, just more beige/brown coloured. Shrimp such as red cherries, bumblebee and red crystal can be lovely and bright, but I fear that your bettas + gourami would end up eating them.

 

[MegaZerino]

Out of those that I mentioned, probably the bronze (golden) or pandas (black and white). The others are attractive too though, just more beige/brown coloured. Shrimp such as red cherries, bumblebee and red crystal can be lovely and bright, but I fear that your bettas + gourami would end up eating them.

i would love to get some shrimp, but i dont think my tank has enough places for them to hide so they would get eaten pretty quickly, so i will probably wait till next year when i plan to get a small 5 or 10 gallon tank for 1 male betta. I will see what type of corys my LFS has but i am hoping they have the peppered corys as some do look quite pretty, do you know the minimum amount for a shoal should be??

 

[pablothebetta]

All cories and other shoaling fish should be in groups of at least 6

I'd maybe get a more advanced TFF member on here to check the stocking level on your desired fish + numbers, I know nowhere near as much about these things as other people on here, though it looks fine to me

 

[IanL]

(im trying to make my tank as colourful as pissible because of the bettas)

Sounds like you need to do a water change a bit sharpish,matey....

I'll get my coat,sorry..... x

 

[soybean]

What are the dimensions of the tank? That's what matters with bottom dwellers like corys, and I'm not sure you have the space for six adult corys.

A bristlenose might work but they poo A LOT so you'll need to do a lot of gravel vacs compared to now.

Dwarf corys are an option, and do best in groups of 8+.

But theyre not colourful like the bettas and gourami are colourful - so a few male endlers would add colour and activity. I think they're a better option than bottom dwellers.

 

[eaglesaquarium]

+1


Your tank is pretty heavily stocked already before adding any bottom dwellers. And to be honest, there are few truly "colorful" varieties, at least to the level that they would stand up to the color of the bettas and gourami.

The tank is also pretty small for a full grown BN pleco. These can grow to 4-5 inches long. Dwarf cories would be an option, but they are not "colorful" although I like them a lot. If what you are looking for is color - then male endlers and NO bottom dwellers would be the way to go.

 

[MegaZerino]

(im trying to make my tank as colourful as pissible because of the bettas)

Sounds like you need to do a water change a bit sharpish,matey....

I'll get my coat,sorry..... x

you sir, are HILARIOUS!!! my bad, i type too fast.

What are the dimensions of the tank? That's what matters with bottom dwellers like corys, and I'm not sure you have the space for six adult corys.

A bristlenose might work but they poo A LOT so you'll need to do a lot of gravel vacs compared to now.

Dwarf corys are an option, and do best in groups of 8+.

But theyre not colourful like the bettas and gourami are colourful - so a few male endlers would add colour and activity. I think they're a better option than bottom dwellers.

the tank is roughly w-24cm L-58cm h-33cm its not a long tank so now im thinking that there isnt much ground surface area, so now im thinking about maybe some bumblebee shrimp, i am thinking of getting some java moss and heavily planting one corner of my tank, my bettas arent very aggressive at all and are fed well so i may buy a few shrimmp and see how they do

+1


Your tank is pretty heavily stocked already before adding any bottom dwellers. And to be honest, there are few truly "colorful" varieties, at least to the level that they would stand up to the color of the bettas and gourami.

The tank is also pretty small for a full grown BN pleco. These can grow to 4-5 inches long. Dwarf cories would be an option, but they are not "colorful" although I like them a lot. If what you are looking for is color - then male endlers and NO bottom dwellers would be the way to go.

like i posted as a reply to soybean, thinking about some shrimp now, and the tank is fine, the filter is powerful and a rarely have to vacuum the sand bed. the fish arent going to grow much bigger than they are but i think yes corys would be pushing it

 

[eaglesaquarium]

like i posted as a reply to soybean, thinking about some shrimp now, and the tank is fine, the filter is powerful and a rarely have to vacuum the sand bed. the fish arent going to grow much bigger than they are but i think yes corys would be pushing it

I understand what you are saying. The filter being powerful is nice, but is not the only consideration. There are many other things to consider, including how rapidly nitrate rises between water changes. Shrimp are a very good option as they don't add to the bioload. Be sure to get a more sizeable shrimp, Amano for example, so that they don't get picked on by the larger fish.


Also, natural plants are a welcome addition for shrimp. These hold many more places for food for shrimp than fake plants.