Endlers - Perfect Conditions?

[mattbond]

im going to breed endlers in a 35l planted tank (i know its not difficult)

just wanted to know what the best thing for them is food wise?

 

[helterskelter]

Newly hatched brine shrimp by far is the best.

I also like to feed tetra Pro flake (crushed).

 

[mattbond]

my friend has bred them, and he's offered me some, should i get some different ones aswell to increase the gene pool?

 

[helterskelter]

95% of all endlers are a guppy cross and rarely suffer with any problems.
All you need to do is remove any runty fish and only breed from the best.

 

[mattbond]

i know his are genuine endlers, the pukka ones lol

theyve just been breeding by themselves for a while, and i want to increase the genepool without damaging the pure endler strain too much?

 

[helterskelter]

So dose he has collection data with them?

If their true endlers you dont want to add any thing else as you could introduce a different collection of fish or even worse add a guppy cross.
We have fish from the original 1975 collection by Dr Endler, still going strong. Even with no introduction of other fish.

 

[mattbond]

hmmm... arent there any issues with hardiness, i know he got them from a place called wildwoods, and the manager works joointly with my shop, and hes told us that he always gets pure from a speciallist breeder

 

[helterskelter]

Best you could say is their class P endlers.

Their 3 classes of endlers

Class N : Fish with known history relating back to collection data.

Class P : Endler with unknown history, still possible crossbreed.

Class K : Known crossbreed.



Class N : Are the rarest to find. Your only fine these from a specialist breeder

Class P : Very common as 99% of shop fish can only be classed as P

Class K : same as class P


Their no problems if the best fish are sleceted to breed from, if you breed from poor stock then your get problems.

 

[OldMan47]

I have a colony of wild type endlers that were certified as class Ns. They came from a 1999 collection at Laguna de Los Patos by Armando Pou. They are not first generation but had their numbers increased as part of a SMP program by ELBAA. These fish are always ready to increase their numbers but need a diverse group to avoid too much "founder's effect" where the gene pool is too small. I decided, at one point , to separate a single male that I really liked with a few virgin, very young, females. What I ended up with is some very healthy fish that all look very much alike although the original colony has maintained a nice diverse look to it. It really depends what you like but if it were me, I would intentionally choose fish that do not all look alike just to keep things interesting. Class P fish hold absolutely no interest for me but I have seen some gorgeous class Ks bred by people like Adrian Hernandez at Swampriveraquatics.

 

[mattbond]

ive just found out via work, that they are "proper" endlers brought in, they said something about them originating from class A or B? is this right?

 

[helterskelter]

I've listed the classes above.

Be good to ge tsome photo's once u have them setteled.

 

[OldMan47]

Class A or B sounds like a size grading system used by exporters in Asia. It would have nothing to do with the genetics of the fish but would tell me that they are class P at best since they probably come from a large volume indiscriminate breeder who does not specialize in wild type fish.

 

[mattbond]

no theyre from a breeder in this country apparently (UK) so i dont think that theyre bred on a massive commercial scale