Compatibility Check / Fish Advice Please

That's odd - I can't re-edit my post.

Was going to edit to say that I'd found somewhere which stated that sand would not be an issue for Kribs. The Pulcher ones seem to be loved by all who keep them :)
 
I see your stock, I dare you to try:
* 15-20 tiger barbs OR harlequin gouramis
* 6-8 dwarf chain loaches OR 10 khuli loaches
* 1m 1f Colisa fasciata OR 1m 3-5f honey gourami
KK - my wife has decided she wants 2 larger rather than 3-5 smaller Dwarf Gourami. Whilst looking up your receommendation of the banded Gourami (beautiful) I found a reference which suggested that it likes quite tank mates - I'm not sure than 20 tigers zooming around = quite, however I also think that I'm missing something as another references lists barbs as ideal tank mates! Am I misunderstanding the definition of quiet here?? :)
Ah, I thought by "peaceful gourami" you meant Colisa fasciata because that is one of the common names they are known by :) There are also a few other species, known as "peaceful gourami", so I was just pointing out that I was talking about that one :) Different barb species behave differently, so that could be one reason why barbs are listed as ideal tankmates. I can't comment on exactly how active the barbs will be in your aquarium, but I imagine that in those numbers, they could be placid enough. The other point to consider is that barbs are generally mid-water fish, while gouramis live towards the surface.

Personally i would avoid Gourami's at all costs with Tigers, have a look into Bolivian Rams, Kribensis (very fun to watch breeding and bringing up fry).

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Another option if your missus insists on Gourami's are Pentazona barbs, AKA 5 banded barbs, they are very nice looking fish and go a lovely pinkish colour and of course the 5 bands make them stand out a lot. A school of those will be very eye catching and they are obviously far more peaceful than Tigers. HTH
I agree that pentazona barbs are a good option, but I do not recommend Bolivians because of their adult size. Kribs might work, but if you get an angry pair, they could play havoc with the loaches.

Googleing around on Kribs I came across Rock Kribs e.g. http://fishprofiles....Rock_Kribensis/ which seem pretty special but the reference to killing each other came as a bit of a shock! Do you have any recommendations within the Kribs family as being hard water happy and preferably unlikely to kill each other! :) I hadn't appreciated that these were all Cichlid as I'd previously assumed that these were basically so agreesive that they'd not do well in a community (or rather the community wouldn't do well with the ASBO carrying fish!). I assume that your original suggestion related to http://en.wikipedia....chromis_pulcher?
That's not a species we include in the usual "Kribs". By "Kribs", we mean Pelvicachromis species (do check individuals). Paralabidochromis are Rift Lake cichlids; Rift Lake cichlids have suck specific requirements and high aggression that these can only be kept with other Rift Lake fish, and sometimes plecos.

Edited to add: I notice in one of two places (e.g. http://www.jack-frost.co.uk/breeding_kribs.html) that they talk of gravel and digging. Would this mean that sand is a bad thing? I am assuming I need the sand due to the Loachs I'm having in the tank...
Kribs should be find with sand, they can dig in that too.. but they'd probably be happier with fine gravel.
 
My kribs absolutely loved my unipac silica sand, they would dig under the bogwood and create a hide away to lay their eggs. they do cause a bit of havoc with digging and you have to make sure that any rocks are firmly on the bottom of the tank. I've since passed on the male to a friend, i got fed up with them breeding so much in the end. It was literally every 2 months i would arrive home to a new batch of fry! Local fish shop didnt mind though, free fish to sell!
 
OK, I'll have an ask at the shop about Kribs - I already know that if an individual doesn't work out I can take it back / swap it. Hopefully with 33" in length to play with the loachs can get away from the Kribs if they get too stroppy. We'll put some sort of planting / rock formation change 18" from the nesting spaces we'll have to make at one end of the tank to try and engineer the Kribs into one end of the tank :) We'll give it a try :)

Miles
 
OK, so going to order the fish tomorrow. The order will be:

16 Tigre Barbs (8 plain and 8 green)
2 Kribensis
6 Dwarf Chain Loach

I went to the shop today and had a chat and he wasn't recommending the Krib in a community set up - he said that these were the ones which people talked about in community set ups however he thought that they would disurb the tank for the egg = fry period however he'd not had experience of them with Tigers and could see that it might work. His suggestion (in leiu of the Gourami) was a pair of Boseman Rainbow Fish (which we love) however upon looking them up the general view seems to be that they will do better in a bigger group.

We have agreed that I can bring the Kribs back if they prove to be too much trouble, lets just hope that I get a nice tempered pair!

Going on the 1" or fish for 1USG I will be a little overstocked (33% over) however going on the 1cm per litre I will be 11% under max so I guess I'll be OK, especially as the filter (Eheim 2075) is rated to 600 L and my tank is 200 (note here I'm worrying about the level of bio filtration rather than flow which I can boost with power heads if necessary.

The suggested stocking order will be tigers first and the others to follow after a few days / a week. This will maintain a good stress on the filter to prevent too many bacteria dying off. We will be doing water measurements like they're going out of fashion!

We will plant on the Monday, re-examin the tank on Tuesday and correct any issues, massive water change on Tuesday night, fish in (tigers) Wednesday night, first feed on Friday.

Any thoughts before I push the button?

Miles
 
Stock sooner, after adding the plants: you'll need to keep the filter bacteria alive and some plants don't tolerate ammonia very well.

In terms of stocking, I would stock tiger barbs first, loaches 1 week later and Kribs a week after that.

I recommend that you ask your LFS to look even now for a paired up pair of Kribs, it is not nice on the fish when two individuals are not given a choice of partner, and that you spend some time observing them at the LFS before taking them home. Picking two random fish can cause problems because they may turn out to hate each other.

You won't have a bio-filtration problem, an external can take a LOT more bio media than an internal which is rated for the same volume.. when someone came up with the length per volume guideline, internals were more popular due to the cost, I suspect, so it was probably aimed at them.

Rainbowfish are all schoolers, same goes for all tetras, rasboras, barbs and danios.. so the usual "at least 6+, or even better, 10-20+" recommendations apply.

Have you thought about the diet for the fish?
I recommend a generic (omnivore, usually mix of red, brown, yellow and/or green) tropical flake and a generic (omnivore, usually brown and red) granule and/or small tab food for the barbs and Kribs; sinking meaty pellets for the loaches; frozen tropical quintet/quartet as treats. It is well worth buying the dry foods in the smallest tubs, at least the first time around, especially if you are buying small fish, so will need finer foods to start with. One option would be to ask your LFS if they have any samples of flake food, etc, because a sample jar is usually 50-100 ml in volume and one of those should last you anywhere from 6-12 months, depending on how you feed. I do like Hikari foods for my fish, but to be honest, I have never used a dry food which is a good all rounder, there is something lacking regardless of which manufacturer one uses or how much one pays, so I very strongly recommend buying foods from different manufacturers for a more complete diet (for example, flakes from one, tabs from another). In terms of number of different dry foods, I think two types is a good place to start for now, and right now, I have about 15 different types (various flakes, pellets, granules, tablets and rods) just for the mid-water schoolers, but there's no reason to get as extreme as me.. I'm just trying to use up the ridiculous number of samples have! Every time I see an offer online, I take advantage of it :)
For feeding regime, I recommend you start with once per day, everything gone in 30 seconds, and increase as needed. Loaches will probably need at least one pellet each. Frozen foods are a good option once per week, again, can be increased as needed up to 2-3 times per week. Once day per week should always be completely without any food. Do keep in mind that growing fish can do with more regular feeding than adult fish, to encourage good growth. If you feel the fish need more food, increase the feeding frequency, not amount of food given, their stomachs are quite small.

p.s. did you get a timer for the lights already?
 
+1 for everything kitty said really, i can also recommend Tetra Prima as a good all around granual food, my barbs enjoy it as does everything else in my tank. Also with the Tigers they sleep at night, you can feed the other fish after lights out.

Deffinately worth doing Kribs last as it will give you a chance to visit a few shops to find a breeding pair.

Plants being soaked in salt isnt something i've ever done, but i always run them under the tap and trim the roots a bit before planting.
 
Erm, why? What? I can most definitely assure you that I have never soaked plants in salt water before and that has never caused any problems for me.
 
Coxwell can supply (for quite a bit extra) a proven mating pair of Kribs which I think that I will go for. I hadn't thought to leave 2 weeks between the tigers and the Kribs but that will not be an issue.

I will cut the time down from planting to fish.

Thanks - any more things which occur to you gratefully received! :)

Miles
 
i can also recommend Tetra Prima as a good all around granual food, my barbs enjoy it as does everything else in my tank. Also with the Tigers they sleep at night, you can feed the other fish after lights out.
I actually would say that Tetra Prima is one to avoid at all costs, unless used as a treat. It is very a unbalanced, meaty food which very tasty for the fish, but should be treated along side "live foods" for the nutritional value and quantity of feeding. I actually do have it and use it, but it is a treat and not for every day feeding.

Coxwell can supply (for quite a bit extra) a proven mating pair of Kribs which I think that I will go for. I hadn't thought to leave 2 weeks between the tigers and the Kribs but that will not be an issue.
Yes, just one more: check the age of the fish! Proven breeding pairs can sometimes come in very old. Also, since the shop knows it's a proven pair, ask how they are with other fish when breeding.
 
The reason i use tetra prima a lot is because i have 200 cory fry to feed and i got 4 large tubs of the stuff for a promotional price of £8 each :D Its a fantasic food for fry/juvies and is highly recommended by most of the uk corys breeders i've emailed. That said, when they reach a larger size i'll start to vary the diet more, but for now, they have 4 pots to get through!

If you can get the kribs right now (i think i paid £20 for my pair, they were unwanted by previous owner) then i honestly dont see a reason why you cant introduce them with the other fish.
 
The reason i use tetra prima a lot is because i have 200 cory fry to feed and i got 4 large tubs of the stuff for a promotional price of £8 each :D Its a fantasic food for fry/juvies and is highly recommended by most of the uk corys breeders i've emailed. That said, when they reach a larger size i'll start to vary the diet more, but for now, they have 4 pots to get through!
For discus and mid-water schoolers, it has quite the opposite effect, from what I have read and observed: discus, tetra and rasbora young which were fed Tetra Prima grew stunted. It could have something to do with Corys being primarily carnivores, while the discus, tetras, etc are omnivores. Going by that, it could be a decent food for loaches, but that should be investigated some more.

If you can get the kribs right now (i think i paid £20 for my pair, they were unwanted by previous owner) then i honestly dont see a reason why you cant introduce them with the other fish.
I mainly suggested them last so other fish are not introduced into "their" territory, as loaches occupy the same areas.
 
They are going to pick out their patch and make it known at some point, sooner or later it doesnt really make a difference. my kribs had the attitude of, "hey, thats a nice coconut, mine now, clear off you spanners".. :D They also picked different places to breed every time, stupid things :\
 

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