Compatibility Check / Fish Advice Please

Thanks for such a full reply on the foxes and I'll certainly do the feeding thing. Checking the water chemistry goes without saying but thank you for saying it :) I will check exactly what the foxes are and report back with anything I learn...
What are your thoughts on planting?
Miles
 
Mystery snails?
 
I think I missed that part.... :blush:


Sorry. I was focusing on the algae issue and not the other stocking options. I think it depends on the loach you pick. With khuli loaches, you could be ok, but not with the chain loaches. Either way, I think you are correct in saying that it is better not to chance it.
 
Apple snails (aka mystery snails) are not usually algae eaters, unless they're starving, so wouldn't work, I'm afraid. Usual suspects are some species of nerite snail and shrimp, but as was said above, both are loach targets.

Otocinclus affinis are probably your best bet, but you need to make sure everything is covered in algae before you get them (they won't eat all types, so check the algae type you get) and when one buys them, it is important to make sure they haven't been on a hunger strike. Also, they don't travel well, so best to let them settle in at the LFS for 1-2 weeks before buying.

Large nerites and large shrimp might be ok if your loaches are well fed, but I'd not risk the nerites.. Shrimp are more likely to work, but plant the tank well first.

Re: plants.. buying the ones one likes the look of is futile, as more often than not, they're demanding plants. Yes, I've done this before! Have a look at Tropica's list of undemanding plants. I recommend Hygrophilas and hornwort (Ceratophyllum spp.) for you. It is claimed that hornwort has anti-algae properties, apparently it releases something which kills some species of algae. Given the amount of light you expect, I'd pass on swords, maybe go for some smaller crypts instead, if you want rosette plants.
 
KK - I've just had a quick read of the gourami section of this site and in the faq it mentions not keeping dwarf in with tiger barbs for fear of causing stress deaths.... will read more tomorrow however that suggests I'm looking at a par of medium size rather than set of dwarf ones....
 
It's not a problem I have ever heard of, if the barbs are kept in a large groups. When kept in a small group, they are a terror for pretty much all fish as they are compulsive nippers and harassers, but these problems disappear normally, when they are in groups of 10+.

Be careful about larger gouramis as well: Trichogaster trichopterus and T. leeri both have high con-specific aggression and they're the most common ones in the next size up from dwarfs. Again, this is another species for which I would want at least a 4 ft aquarium. Isn't it a bit ironic that the most common gouramis in LFS are the most aggressive species? But at any rate, if the tigers do any harassing, they will abuse a larger gourami species just as much as a smaller one. The size of the fish males little difference to the amount of abuse it is willing to put up with.
 
Thanks KK, the issue doesn't seem to ne general harassment but the possible trigger for what is referred to as Dwarf Gourami Disease which apparently affects 25% of them. Again I'm only going by what is written in the gourami section as I'm utterly at sea here :)
 
As far as I am aware, one report by a source I consider to be unreliable said that 22% of dwarf gouramis from Asian farms carry the iridovirus. The iridovirus is a virus, so the fish either has it or not and it is probable that any species can carry it. It is also believed that the virus can be transmitted on nets and suchlike, so if the wholesaler of where your shop acquires their gouramis from stocks Colisa lalia, then their other gouramis are just as likely to carry the virus.

There is also no proof that the virus results in disease, as far as I am aware. Basically, a popular source reported that some gouramis carry it and everyone jumped to conclusions.

And, from what I understand and my own experience with gouramis, the most common reason for disease is poor water quality, as they are very picky about it.

I'm not saying "dwarf gourami disease" does not exist, quite the opposite, it really is a very common problem, but I believe that it is the result of poor water quality, inbreeding and/or inappropriate living conditions (such as with a very small groups of tiger barbs), not a virus. So when someone says "25% of dwarf gouramis are have dwarf gourami disease", I interpret it as "25% of gouramis are kept in conditions which they can not survive in".
 
I see your stock, I dare you to try:
* 15-20 tiger barbs OR harlequin gouramis
* 6-8 dwarf chain loaches OR 10 khuli loaches
* 1m 1f Colisa fasciata OR 1m 3-5f honey gourami

KK - my wife has decided she wants 2 larger rather than 3-5 smaller Dwarf Gourami. Whilst looking up your receommendation of the banded Gourami (beautiful) I found a reference which suggested that it likes quite tank mates - I'm not sure than 20 tigers zooming around = quite, however I also think that I'm missing something as another references lists barbs as ideal tank mates! Am I misunderstanding the definition of quiet here?? :)

Miles
 
Miles, i've got 17 Tigers in my 5 foot tank and they still split off and pester other fish. This weekend my corys were spawning and they constantly chased them around knocking eggs out from under them and ate any that made it to the tank glass. Fortunately corys are relatively dumb and just carry on with their daily routine without stressing out over it.

I've also got two SAE's in my tank and they are always hanging out together. I should really get a couple more. If you go down the Tiger route, you do have to be quite careful with the stocking and they do need a lot of space if not for them but for the other fish to avoid them.

Personally i would avoid Gourami's at all costs with Tigers, have a look into Bolivian Rams, Kribensis (very fun to watch breeding and bringing up fry).

Dont get too worried about algae, no fish will truely get on top of it, you will always have your hand in the tank cleaning it here and there, its part and parcel of owning fish.

Another option if your missus insists on Gourami's are Pentazona barbs, AKA 5 banded barbs, they are very nice looking fish and go a lovely pinkish colour and of course the 5 bands make them stand out a lot. A school of those will be very eye catching and they are obviously far more peaceful than Tigers. HTH
 
Tizer
5 banded barbs appear to be out based on the water hardness (7.5-8.0). We're not wedded to Gourami - they were pretty and interesting fish which are also Asian and can do well in the water hardness we have. Any other suggestions are welcome - the Kribs look interesting and are stated as being fairly relaxed about the water being hard or soft. We bascially want something pretty and interesting :)

Miles
 
I wouldnt rule out Pentas on your water, you will find most are tank bred and can happily adapt to many environments.

The Kribs are certainly pretty and if you get a breeding pair you will sit there for hours watching them move their young around the tank. Do be warned that they can get a little agressive when breeding so perfect with fish like barbs who are very very quick. That said i've never had my Kribs cause any damage, they just tend to charge at other fish without making contact.
 
Googleing around on Kribs I came across Rock Kribs e.g. http://fishprofiles....Rock_Kribensis/ which seem pretty special but the reference to killing each other came as a bit of a shock! Do you have any recommendations within the Kribs family as being hard water happy and preferably unlikely to kill each other! :) I hadn't appreciated that these were all Cichlid as I'd previously assumed that these were basically so agreesive that they'd not do well in a community (or rather the community wouldn't do well with the ASBO carrying fish!). I assume that your original suggestion related to http://en.wikipedia....chromis_pulcher?

Any suggestions gratefully received whilst I ferret around :)

Edited to add: I notice in one of two places (e.g. http://www.jack-frost.co.uk/breeding_kribs.html) that they talk of gravel and digging. Would this mean that sand is a bad thing? I am assuming I need the sand due to the Loachs I'm having in the tank...

Miles
 

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