Aquarium Salt...

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Do people use salt within their aquariums to keep a healthy balance? I have read that it can de-toxify nitrite and it is good to help balance electrolytes. I wondered if is it still ok to use in tanks with scaleless fish - such as plecs? What are peoples opinions?
 
It depends what fish you have. Some fish don't mind a bit of salt, others hate it.

Also, why do you want to add salt. Unless you have a specific reason, i wouldn't waste your money. It doesn't magically make your water any better and it is by no means essential. 9 times out of 10 it is probably unnecessary.
 
What else do you have in there. If there are mollies, it is almost essential, as if they are deprived of salt, they are very subsceptable( sp?) to diseases.
 
What else do you have in there. If there are mollies, it is almost essential, as if they are deprived of salt, they are very subsceptable( sp?) to diseases.

Mollies benefit from marine salt, not aquarium salt. They are very different.

Even then, marine salt is not essential for mollies. I keep mollies in fresh water with no disease problems at all. Mollies can adapt very well to fresh water or even full marine saltwater.
 
I have had mollies before, and every time i got them, they died. So i thought, why dont i get them from a lfs, not a chain store? So i got 2 females, and 1 male at the lfs, and they died. So i was given advice to put aquarium salt in the tank. I put it, bought mollies from both places, no more problems. I havent had problems with mollies since adding aquarium salt.
 
I don't know why your mollies died Krib, but as i said, i keep mollies in freshwater no problems and they even breed like rabbits, so not having aquarium salt certainly doesn't kill them.
 
I don't know why your mollies died Krib, but as i said, i keep mollies in freshwater no problems and they even breed like rabbits, so not having aquarium salt certainly doesn't kill them.


That's been my experience too. I never realized the common thought was that they needed salt until I came to this forum. I'm still keeping mollies in unsalted water with no problems at all.
 
True, my lfs( petsmart, superpets, petco), all run aquarium salt in their tanks, so that might have been why!
 
I'd just like to add that I've read if you have scaleless fish (e.g. plecs, corys) that you shouldn't have salt in all the time. They can tolerate a bit (e.g. if you were using a bit to support a disease treatment) temporarily, but its not good for them all the time. Builds up in them or something, I'm sure someone else has the more scientific explanation of things!
 
I've written a lot about aquarium salt in my time in the forum. So, rather than re-write it all, I'll just copy and paste an old reply (I hope that you will read through them and see how little evidence there really is for salt and how much evidence there is against salt in a freshwater tank):



There are several good threads on salt going around, please read through these, they'll give you all the reasons against salt.

[URL="http://www.fishforums.net/index.php?showtopic=210955"]http://www.fishforums.net/index.php?showtopic=210955[/URL]
[URL="http://www.fishforums.net/index.php?showtopic=211791"]http://www.fishforums.net/index.php?showtopic=211791[/URL]
[URL="http://www.fishforums.net/index.php?showtopic=168186"]http://www.fishforums.net/index.php?showtopic=168186[/URL]
[URL="http://www.fishforums.net/index.php?showtopic=155280"]http://www.fishforums.net/index.php?showtopic=155280[/URL]
[URL="http://www.fishforums.net/index.php?showtopic=157186"]http://www.fishforums.net/index.php?showtopic=157186[/URL]

and specifically I'll just take a quote from some of my older posts:

Primary freshwater fishes are those that have remained, as far as we can tell from the fossil record, in fresh waters throughout their evolutionary heritage. Fishes that fall into this category include Characins, Carps and Catfishes.

Secondary freshwater fishes are those that had marine ancestors at some point in past time, but which moved into freshwater in order to occupy various niches. Cichlids are an example of secondary freshwater fishes - their nearest relatives are the marine Damselfishes of the Family Pomacentridae, and it's highly likely that both Families shared a common (and marine) ancestor.

Consequently, the secondary freshwater fishes still have at least some degree of osmoregulatory capacity for dealing with salt in the water, while the primary freshwater fishes never evolved it in the first place. So, placing primary freshwater fishes into water containing salt is a bad idea, and even modest amounts will kill them. Secondary freshwater fishes, on the other hand, can tolerate small amounts of salt, and indeed some members of secondarily freshwater Families are brackish in nature - the Cichlid fish Etroplus suratensis springs to mind as one example. Cyprinodontiformes also fall into this category - both the egg-laying Cyprinodontidae and the live-bearing Poeciliidae are also secondarily freshwater, some of the latter Family being fully brackish in the wild (indeed, the Giant Sailfin Molly, Poecilia vivipara, is fully euryhaline, and can live in fully marine water, as specimens captured in seawater off the Yucatan Peninsula in Mexico testify eloquently).

Quite simply put, if your aquarium contains any primary freshwater fishes, do NOT add salt, as those fishes will suffer considerable stress if exposed to salt, and may even die. Even in the case of secondarily freshwater fishes, salt is only a good idea if the fishes concerned are KNOWN to inhabit brackish waters in the wild.

Most fishes fall into the category of being stenohaline, namely, they are either freshwater or fully marine. These fishes should only be exposed to the kind of water in which they occur in the wild with respect to salt content. Euryhaline fishes, that can migrate with some degree of freedom between freshwater, brackish and fully marine environments, are much fewer in number, and tend to be conspicuous in this regard when encountered in the textbooks - fishes such as Scats, Monos, Therapon jarbua, velifera Mollies and one or two of the Puffer Fishes are notable for this. Within the euryhaline division, there are those that can migrate more or less at will, and those that do so developmentally - the Puffer Fish Tetraodon nigroviridis is developmentally euryhaline, spending its juvenile stages in freshwater before migrating at a steady pace to increasingly saline waters until, as adults, they are strongly brackish or fully marine fishes. Once again, and I cannot stress this enough, it pays to do the research and find out what your fish is!


The main point is that many fish evolved in an a very low-salt environment and do not have the physical mechanisms to handle salt. Will it kill them immediately... No. But, it puts a significant amount of additional stress on the fish, with all the additional problems extra stress lead to: increased susceptibility to disease, shorter lifespan, less color, less likely to spawn, etc. If you have fish that do have the capabilities to deal with salt, it won't be as bad -- though if everything is healthy and fine now, why the need for a change? But, if you have fish that are intolerant of salt, it will lead to problems down the road.
 
I've written a lot about aquarium salt in my time in the forum. So, rather than re-write it all, I'll just copy and paste an old reply (I hope that you will read through them and see how little evidence there really is for salt and how much evidence there is against salt in a freshwater tank):



There are several good threads on salt going around, please read through these, they'll give you all the reasons against salt.

<a href="http://www.fishforums.net/content/Tropical-Chat/210955/http-www-fishforums-net-index-php-showtopic-210955/" target="_blank">http://www.fishforums.net/content/Tropical-Chat/210955/http-www-fishforums-net-index-php-showtopic-210955/</a>
<a href="http://www.fishforums.net/content/Tropical-Chat/211791/http-www-fishforums-net-index-php-showtopic-211791/" target="_blank">http://www.fishforums.net/content/Tropical-Chat/211791/http-www-fishforums-net-index-php-showtopic-211791/</a>
<a href="http://www.fishforums.net/content/Tropical-Chat/168186/http-www-fishforums-net-index-php-showtopic-168186/" target="_blank">http://www.fishforums.net/content/Tropical-Chat/168186/http-www-fishforums-net-index-php-showtopic-168186/</a>
<a href="http://www.fishforums.net/content/Tropical-Chat/155280/http-www-fishforums-net-index-php-showtopic-155280/" target="_blank">http://www.fishforums.net/content/Tropical-Chat/155280/http-www-fishforums-net-index-php-showtopic-155280/</a>
<a href="http://www.fishforums.net/content/Tropical-Chat/157186/http-www-fishforums-net-index-php-showtopic-157186/" target="_blank">http://www.fishforums.net/content/Tropical-Chat/157186/http-www-fishforums-net-index-php-showtopic-157186/</a>

and specifically I'll just take a quote from some of my older posts:

Primary freshwater fishes are those that have remained, as far as we can tell from the fossil record, in fresh waters throughout their evolutionary heritage. Fishes that fall into this category include Characins, Carps and Catfishes.

Secondary freshwater fishes are those that had marine ancestors at some point in past time, but which moved into freshwater in order to occupy various niches. Cichlids are an example of secondary freshwater fishes - their nearest relatives are the marine Damselfishes of the Family Pomacentridae, and it's highly likely that both Families shared a common (and marine) ancestor.

Consequently, the secondary freshwater fishes still have at least some degree of osmoregulatory capacity for dealing with salt in the water, while the primary freshwater fishes never evolved it in the first place. So, placing primary freshwater fishes into water containing salt is a bad idea, and even modest amounts will kill them. Secondary freshwater fishes, on the other hand, can tolerate small amounts of salt, and indeed some members of secondarily freshwater Families are brackish in nature - the Cichlid fish Etroplus suratensis springs to mind as one example. Cyprinodontiformes also fall into this category - both the egg-laying Cyprinodontidae and the live-bearing Poeciliidae are also secondarily freshwater, some of the latter Family being fully brackish in the wild (indeed, the Giant Sailfin Molly, Poecilia vivipara, is fully euryhaline, and can live in fully marine water, as specimens captured in seawater off the Yucatan Peninsula in Mexico testify eloquently).

Quite simply put, if your aquarium contains any primary freshwater fishes, do NOT add salt, as those fishes will suffer considerable stress if exposed to salt, and may even die. Even in the case of secondarily freshwater fishes, salt is only a good idea if the fishes concerned are KNOWN to inhabit brackish waters in the wild.

Most fishes fall into the category of being stenohaline, namely, they are either freshwater or fully marine. These fishes should only be exposed to the kind of water in which they occur in the wild with respect to salt content. Euryhaline fishes, that can migrate with some degree of freedom between freshwater, brackish and fully marine environments, are much fewer in number, and tend to be conspicuous in this regard when encountered in the textbooks - fishes such as Scats, Monos, Therapon jarbua, velifera Mollies and one or two of the Puffer Fishes are notable for this. Within the euryhaline division, there are those that can migrate more or less at will, and those that do so developmentally - the Puffer Fish Tetraodon nigroviridis is developmentally euryhaline, spending its juvenile stages in freshwater before migrating at a steady pace to increasingly saline waters until, as adults, they are strongly brackish or fully marine fishes. Once again, and I cannot stress this enough, it pays to do the research and find out what your fish is!


The main point is that many fish evolved in an a very low-salt environment and do not have the physical mechanisms to handle salt. Will it kill them immediately... No. But, it puts a significant amount of additional stress on the fish, with all the additional problems extra stress lead to: increased susceptibility to disease, shorter lifespan, less color, less likely to spawn, etc. If you have fish that do have the capabilities to deal with salt, it won't be as bad -- though if everything is healthy and fine now, why the need for a change? But, if you have fish that are intolerant of salt, it will lead to problems down the road.

did you learn all of this from keeping fish or do you do this for a living? :blink: these are really helpful. the question of salt has been on my mind for a while now.
 

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