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Hi,
I changed my filter, and used all ceramics into new filter filter was from a well established , aquarium. did not include sponges as I would have had to cut them up, and I thought a good tray of biohome would be enough for my 70 litre tank.
Next day I lost two tetras I did a test with NT Labs kit, it was reading chlorine nil, PH 7.5, and 0.5 Nitrite, I immediately did a 50% water change and treble dose of Seachem Prime and 10mls of Seachem Stability. Next day was 0.25 Nitrite, did the same another 50 % water change plus prime and Stability with no fish deaths.
Today day three , ammonia nil, ph 7.5, nitrite 0.25, nitrate nill.
What should I do now, can I ask for quick answers please.
 
1. Stability is a bottle of spores. The nitrifying bacteria that colonize our tanks do not form spores.

2. Changing water works to slow a cycle and should only be done when it is actually needed.

3. Not all levels of ammonia in a tank are dangerous. Knowing if one needs to change water for any given level vary based on the pH and temp. of the water.

4. There is almost never a need to change water to deal with nitrite. This is because chloride will block the nitrite from entering the fish. Salt is about 2/3 chloride. It does not take much salt added to the water to block the nitrite.

5. You can find a much more detailed explanation of the above here: https://www.fishforums.net/threads/rescuing-a-fish-in-cycle-gone-wild-part-il.433778/
 
Sometimes you have to let time do its work and just wait these things out . I know that’s not much help but aquariums can be fussy sometimes and that’s all that can be done .
 
1. Stability is a bottle of spores. The nitrifying bacteria that colonize our tanks do not form spores.

2. Changing water works to slow a cycle and should only be done when it is actually needed.

3. Not all levels of ammonia in a tank are dangerous. Knowing if one needs to change water for any given level vary based on the pH and temp. of the water.

4. There is almost never a need to change water to deal with nitrite. This is because chloride will block the nitrite from entering the fish. Salt is about 2/3 chloride. It does not take much salt added to the water to block the nitrite.

5. You can find a much more detailed explanation of the above here: https://www.fishforums.net/threads/rescuing-a-fish-in-cycle-gone-wild-part-il.433778/
 
Did the test NH3 + NH4 both nil. If I added salt how much for a 70 litre tank, as the salt calculations is very complicated
 
Can you take your current nitrite reading please. When you get that here is what you can do without my input.

1. Multiply your nitrite test reading by 10. This will give you the needed mg/l of chloride you need to add.
I assume the above is not too complex so far. ;)

2. Calculate the actual volume in litres of the water in your tank. If your volume is in gallons you must convert this into liters. (As a rule, using the advertised volume of the tank at about 85% will put you in the right ballpark.) 1 gallon = 3.875 litres
You already know this since you posted it is a 70 litre tank. Multiplying that by .85 (85%) you get 61.2 litres. We can simplify that by calling it 61 litres.

3. Multiply the number in #1 above by the number of liters of water in #2 above to get the total number of mg of chloride you will need to add.
You take the number you calculated in step #1 and multiply it by 61 which I calculated for you in step #2.. The number you calculated in this step is will be used in Step #4 below.

4. Because salt is roughly 2/3 chloride, you must multiply the number calculated in #3 by 1.5. You now know how many mg of salt you should add to the water. Dividing this number by 1,000 will convert this amount to grams which are easier to weigh for most people.
You take the number you just calculated in Step #3 and multiply it by 1.5.Then you divide that number by 1,000. The result is how many grams of salt you need to add to your tank to counter act the level of nitrite you have in it.

Since you are reading 0 for ammonia you should not see the nitrite level rising. But is it does so, you can redo the math above and increase the salt. You also know from the article that: "¼ teaspoon of salt shaker sized table salt weighs 2 grams."

Table salt works even if is iodized and/or contains anti-caking agents. Read here re that https://www.thepufferforum.com/forum/library/water-filtration/thesaltoftheearth/#more-137
 
Hi,
I changed my filter, and used all ceramics into new filter filter was from a well established , aquarium. did not include sponges as I would have had t cut them up, and I thought a good tray of biohome would be enough for my 70 litre tank.
Next day I lost two tetras I did a test with NT Labs kit, it was reading chlorine nil, PH 7.5, and 0.5 Nitrite, I immediately did a 50% water change and treble dose of Seachem Prime and 10mls of Seachem Stability. Next day was 0.25 Nitrite, did the same another 50 % water change plus prime and Stability with no fish deaths.
Today day three , ammonia nil, ph 7.5, nitrite 0.25, nitrate nill.
What should I do now, can I ask for quick answers please.
 
Thanks for the help, fingers crossed, test today ammonia nil, Nitrite nil. I could be wrong, but there was a fair bit of ceramics media from the old filter added, or maybe the two 50% water changes and dosing daily with Prime and Stability helped.
 
What helped was time for the bacteria to reproduce. Stability doesn't help and Prime slows down the reproduction because it converts the ammonia to ammonium which the bacteria use less efficiently than they do the ammonia. Water changes also slow down reproduction because they reduce the level of ammonia and nitrite which is what cause the bacteria to reproduce. This is why one should always do a fishless cycle on a new tank. ;)

When there is more ammonia and/or nitrite than there are bacteria to handle these things, the bacteria reproduce faster than they die back. Similarly, if there is less ammonia and thus less nitrite being produced reproduction slows and natural death rates cause the number of bacteria to be reduced bringing them into balance with the new lower levels.
 
Hi,
I changed my filter, and used all ceramics into new filter filter was from a well established , aquarium. did not include sponges as I would have had to cut them up, and I thought a good tray of biohome would be enough for my 70 litre tank.
Next day I lost two tetras I did a test with NT Labs kit, it was reading chlorine nil, PH 7.5, and 0.5 Nitrite, I immediately did a 50% water change and treble dose of Seachem Prime and 10mls of Seachem Stability. Next day was 0.25 Nitrite, did the same another 50 % water change plus prime and Stability with no fish deaths.
Today day three , ammonia nil, ph 7.5, nitrite 0.25, nitrate nill.
What should I do now, can I ask for quick answers please.
Keep doing what you were doing with Prime and Stability, except you only need the standard dose of Prime every day, and if nitrite gets to 2 ppm, as that's how much it can detoxify, only then should you do a 50% water change or x2 Prime. If you have the sponges, just toss them in and it will speed it up. It should only have took a few days now since you were in the middle and you seeded it with an abundance of mature bacteria.

Dominick
 
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Keep doing what you were doing with Prime and Stability, except you only need the standard dose of Prime every day, and if nitrite gets to 2 ppm, as that's how much it can detoxify, only then should you do a 50% water change or x2 Prime. If you have the sponges, just toss them in and it will speed it up. It should only have took a few days now since you were in the middle and you seeded it with an abundance of mature bacteria.

Dominick
This is the second day all is good nitrite nil. Why would I need to keep dosing with prime and stability. Anyway thanks for your reply.
 
This is the second day all is good nitrite nil. Why would I need to keep dosing with prime and stability. Anyway thanks for your reply.
I usually dose for a few days after i verify 0 ammonia and 0 nitrite just as a precaution and to verify the cycle is done. I have seen a sudden spike out of nowhere and like to be on the safe side. After a cycle gets to this point you can still get a sudden spike from a few things like over feeding, substrate disturbances etc. I always error on the side of caution.

Dominick
 
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Like I said, the best place to put stability is in your toilet.

The need to deal with ammonia is not a universal response. What matters is how much of the ammonia in a tank is in the form of the gas NH3. However most of the total ammonia in a tank is due to ammonium NH4 which is way less toxic.

The way to deal with ammonia in a tank over the longer term- more than what is measured in days, is by having the bacteria reproduce. it does his when there is more ammonia than what one has already cannot use it all. The result is reproduction speeds up. Under optimal conditions the bacteria can double in about 8 hours. However, it is rare to have ideal conditions in a tank.

The point of cycling is to develop enough of the ammonia oxidizers to deal with the amount of ammonia the tank creates. Normally, this level occurs at the outset when there are very few of the needed microorganisms present. This is why we add 2 -3 ppms of ammonia when doing a fishless cycle. However, this is not how an established tank crates ammonia. Producing that 2-3 ppm takes 24 hours depending on the what is creating the ammonia. Mostly this comes from the fish. Every time a fish "exhales" it releases ammonia into the water. In addition, any organic waste as it is broken down also creates ammonia. This would include fish poop, uneaten food, dying plant or algae, a dead fish etc.

So there is a second way to reduce the amount of ammonia being created in a tank which is to reduce the sources. Stop feeding, remove dead fish and plants etc.

When there are fish in a tank and there is ammonia which is actually at a dangerous level, then we have to act. But we need to be aware of what is happening. When we change water that lowers the ppm of ammonia but it does nothing to reduce the creation of more ammonia. For that we need the n]bacteria to multiply. If we use ammonia detoxifier that also will reduce the amount of ammonia as NH3 but not the ammonium NH4 which may actually increase. But at lower levels and for shorter term only a few days, this may not be harming fish.

The bacteria can process NH4m but the do so less efficiently so they will be reducing the total ammonia levels more slowly. The bacteria work best when consuming NH3. So, when we use something like prime or other conditioners to deal with ammonia we are also slowing down how rapidly the bacteria will reproduce. So there is a trade-off between how fast the bacteria will reproduce to provide a permanent solution as opposed to how long fish might be exposed to a lowered level of NH3. Longer exposure to lower levels is still harmful.

In writing the 3 cycling articles on this site my goal was to do two things. The first was to protect any living things in a tank from being harmed or killed by the presence of ammonia, especially in the form of NH3. Elevated NH4 over time can still be pretty harmful or even fatal. But it takes a higher concentration of NH4 to cause harm than how bad NH3 can be.

The second concern is how the fishkeeper reacts. The last thing one should ever do is to panic. This often causes us to make bad decisions. If we do understand what is going on and the appropriate way to deal with things, we will likely make mistakes. So, the articles are intended to help folks who may not be sure of how to react to avoid reacting in a panic. Yes there are times when we must act quickly and in the right way, but staying level headed goes a long way to understanding what to do in any given situation.

The 2nr and 3rd cycling articles dealing with cycling issues when there are fish in a tank use pretty conservative levels of ammonia both for Total ammonia and for NH3 itself are designed to protect our fish and our "sanity" when we need to deal with ammonia.

Finally, there is rarely any need to change water for nitrite because using chloride will block that from even entering a fish. So we need not do the things we believe will protect the fish from nitrite such as dosing Prime or changing lots of water which will slow down the reproduction of the needed bacterial which will solve the problem for the longer term. Once inside a fish it takes a day or two for that nitrite to work its way out of the fish. And, if there is still nitrite in the water, it will continue to enter the fish. Chloride prevents this.
 
Like I said, the best place to put stability is in your toilet.

The need to deal with ammonia is not a universal response. What matters is how much of the ammonia in a tank is in the form of the gas NH3. However most of the total ammonia in a tank is due to ammonium NH4 which is way less toxic.

The way to deal with ammonia in a tank over the longer term- more than what is measured in days, is by having the bacteria reproduce. it does his when there is more ammonia than what one has already cannot use it all. The result is reproduction speeds up. Under optimal conditions the bacteria can double in about 8 hours. However, it is rare to have ideal conditions in a tank.

The point of cycling is to develop enough of the ammonia oxidizers to deal with the amount of ammonia the tank creates. Normally, this level occurs at the outset when there are very few of the needed microorganisms present. This is why we add 2 -3 ppms of ammonia when doing a fishless cycle. However, this is not how an established tank crates ammonia. Producing that 2-3 ppm takes 24 hours depending on the what is creating the ammonia. Mostly this comes from the fish. Every time a fish "exhales" it releases ammonia into the water. In addition, any organic waste as it is broken down also creates ammonia. This would include fish poop, uneaten food, dying plant or algae, a dead fish etc.

So there is a second way to reduce the amount of ammonia being created in a tank which is to reduce the sources. Stop feeding, remove dead fish and plants etc.

When there are fish in a tank and there is ammonia which is actually at a dangerous level, then we have to act. But we need to be aware of what is happening. When we change water that lowers the ppm of ammonia but it does nothing to reduce the creation of more ammonia. For that we need the n]bacteria to multiply. If we use ammonia detoxifier that also will reduce the amount of ammonia as NH3 but not the ammonium NH4 which may actually increase. But at lower levels and for shorter term only a few days, this may not be harming fish.

The bacteria can process NH4m but the do so less efficiently so they will be reducing the total ammonia levels more slowly. The bacteria work best when consuming NH3. So, when we use something like prime or other conditioners to deal with ammonia we are also slowing down how rapidly the bacteria will reproduce. So there is a trade-off between how fast the bacteria will reproduce to provide a permanent solution as opposed to how long fish might be exposed to a lowered level of NH3. Longer exposure to lower levels is still harmful.

In writing the 3 cycling articles on this site my goal was to do two things. The first was to protect any living things in a tank from being harmed or killed by the presence of ammonia, especially in the form of NH3. Elevated NH4 over time can still be pretty harmful or even fatal. But it takes a higher concentration of NH4 to cause harm than how bad NH3 can be.

The second concern is how the fishkeeper reacts. The last thing one should ever do is to panic. This often causes us to make bad decisions. If we do understand what is going on and the appropriate way to deal with things, we will likely make mistakes. So, the articles are intended to help folks who may not be sure of how to react to avoid reacting in a panic. Yes there are times when we must act quickly and in the right way, but staying level headed goes a long way to understanding what to do in any given situation.

The 2nr and 3rd cycling articles dealing with cycling issues when there are fish in a tank use pretty conservative levels of ammonia both for Total ammonia and for NH3 itself are designed to protect our fish and our "sanity" when we need to deal with ammonia.

Finally, there is rarely any need to change water for nitrite because using chloride will block that from even entering a fish. So we need not do the things we believe will protect the fish from nitrite such as dosing Prime or changing lots of water which will slow down the reproduction of the needed bacterial which will solve the problem for the longer term. Once inside a fish it takes a day or two for that nitrite to work its way out of the fish. And, if there is still nitrite in the water, it will continue to enter the fish. Chloride prevents this.
Yeah we are gonna have to agree to disagree there.. Stability isnt garbage..lol
 
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