Albino Frog

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Hi guys...

I need your help... I went to the fish shop yest to buy a new fish... but when I was there I saw an albino frog and thought he was cute. I asked the shop assistant questions about him and he said that he would be fine in my tank... so I got him and a small fish!!

However when I got home and looked them up on the internet I was shocked to realise they needed a bigger thank than I have got My tank is about 1.5 litres!! Will he be ok?? as I really can't afford new one and haven't got the room for a bigger tank

Any help would be greatley appreciated!!

 

[gaz gun man]

never owned them, but at 1.5L, I strongly doubt it

Even with just the fish in there, its overstocked. What fish is it?

 

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never owned them, but at 1.5L, I strongly doubt it

Even with just the fish in there, its overstocked. What fish is it?

He is just a small goldfish

Not good!!

 

[Dogson]

Oh dear!

1.5 litres is very small. Too small for any kind of fish really goldfish produce alot of waste and unless you change the water everyday he'll choke on it! Can you not get hold of a slightly bigger cheap plastic tank on ebay or LFS and give them each a separate home....?That's al I can suggest or take the Goldfish and frog back until you can afford something bigger!

Sorry to sound negative but its the fairest thing for the creatures involved

 

[LauraFrog]

You need to get another tank. Immediately. 1.5 litres is far, far too small for any fish, for the US and UK members that is just over 1/4 of a gallon. This is less than a quarter of the absolute minimum size for a betta, which is acknowledged as the best fish for small tanks.

Goldfish get very, very large and are very, very messy. If you've been told they only grow to the size of the tank, it's a total myth. Goldfish require a minimum of 20 gallons or about 80 litres. That's for one goldfish, because they are at least 12 inches long full grown and produce a lot of waste. I strongly recommend you take the goldfish back and get a fish that you will be able to keep.

If you bought a very small tank to start with I'm assuming you haven't got much space. It's very easy to pick up a 5-10 gallon (20-40 litre) tank at a garage sale. You can often get them for under $20, and sometimes you can even get them free. If you went to a meeting of a local aquarium society, I'm sure that somebody would have a spare tank of this size that they aren't using, that they would be willing to give you. It's very easy to fit a tank of this size into the average house or even apartment or dorm room because they don't take much room and are still light enough to put on a desktop. They can also look great - you have a lot more scape for working with them than really, really tiny tanks.

If the frog you have is an African Dwarf Frog, they are absolutely tiny, and provided you are able to keep the water clean can live comfortably in a tank of one gallon. This is not ideal, because they prefer to live in a small group and need a gallon each. They can be kept with small, gentle fish. You could have two or three of them, and maybe a fish or two like platys, in a five gallon tank quite comfortably.
Unfortunately an albino is more likely to be an African Clawed Frog. This gets much larger and is predatory (6 inches, large tankmates only). If you've got one of those, you're back to the 20 gallon-ish mark. If you post a photo of the frog, somebody can probably identify it for you.

 

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You need to get another tank. Immediately. 1.5 litres is far, far too small for any fish, for the US and UK members that is just over 1/4 of a gallon. This is less than a quarter of the absolute minimum size for a betta, which is acknowledged as the best fish for small tanks.

Goldfish get very, very large and are very, very messy. If you've been told they only grow to the size of the tank, it's a total myth. Goldfish require a minimum of 20 gallons or about 80 litres. That's for one goldfish, because they are at least 12 inches long full grown and produce a lot of waste. I strongly recommend you take the goldfish back and get a fish that you will be able to keep.

If you bought a very small tank to start with I'm assuming you haven't got much space. It's very easy to pick up a 5-10 gallon (20-40 litre) tank at a garage sale. You can often get them for under $20, and sometimes you can even get them free. If you went to a meeting of a local aquarium society, I'm sure that somebody would have a spare tank of this size that they aren't using, that they would be willing to give you. It's very easy to fit a tank of this size into the average house or even apartment or dorm room because they don't take much room and are still light enough to put on a desktop. They can also look great - you have a lot more scape for working with them than really, really tiny tanks.

If the frog you have is an African Dwarf Frog, they are absolutely tiny, and provided you are able to keep the water clean can live comfortably in a tank of one gallon. This is not ideal, because they prefer to live in a small group and need a gallon each. They can be kept with small, gentle fish. You could have two or three of them, and maybe a fish or two like platys, in a five gallon tank quite comfortably.
Unfortunately an albino is more likely to be an African Clawed Frog. This gets much larger and is predatory (6 inches, large tankmates only). If you've got one of those, you're back to the 20 gallon-ish mark. If you post a photo of the frog, somebody can probably identify it for you.

Hmmmm I have found this 20L tank http/warehouse-aquatics.co.uk/index.php?...=2703&cid=0

Would that be ok if I could afford it??

Or does anyone know any good cheap sites??

 

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Sorry my Tank is 7L, just looked it up!!

 

[Wills]

Hi guessing your from the uk because of the pounds on the site. A good place to find cheap small fish tanks are in the classifieds in your local paper, Ive seen upto 30g tanks (3ft) for as little as £30 because people just want rid of them I can easily imaging you could get a 10-15g from a newspaper (depending on how much space you have) for £15-25 try to get a complete set up though with a filter and heater and if your lucky you might find one with a mature filter that has been kept alive and running up until the time you pick it up.

Think I would agree that the goldfish should go back though the frog needs different temperature to the goldfish as well as the size and mess the goldfish creates

 

[LauraFrog]

7L is not such an urgent situation (as in fish and frog dying of fish waste in a couple of days.) You could keep a betta in there or the frog, if it is indeed a dwarf frog. That tank looks good, and it's pretty good value for such a stylish 'all in one' kit. If money is a problem, then you can definitely find tanks of that size for a lot less money, but what you're likely to get is a little glass box, and a bit scratched up more often than not. It's pretty easy to find a cheap heater and personally I prefer to knock up my own filtration systems (more versatile as well as cheap) but cheap and effective filters are easy to find as well.

Does your current tank have a heater and filter?

 

[waterdrop]

Yes, very important to understand that the decision about deciding to get a small tank is probably separate from the goldfish problem. Believe me, unless you have a lot of extra money to burn and want to get a very large 20 or 30 US gallon, the best move will be to find someone with a goldfish pond who will take the fish or a local fish shop that will take him off your hands.

The idea though that this has helped you get interested in the tropical fish hobby though is an entirely separate thing and wonderfu! I think of tanks in the 20g to 15g range as being kind of a "sweet spot" for less expensive starter situations for beginners. The larger amount of water (compared to 20L or 40L.. less than 15 gallons) actually makes it *easier* for a beginner because the water chemistry is more stable and easier to understand. Smaller tanks are actually a little trickier.

This is a really great site to have stumbled across for beginning in the hobby. The members here are fun to talk to and enjoy passing along all the info they've learned either here or from their own fishtanks. Its much more organized than trying to find your own way from fish shop advice or books.

~~waterdrop~~

 

[drain_bamaged]

Funnily enough, I brought an African Dwarf Frog today, these grow to around 1.5-2 inches and will happily live in a 25L tank with a few tetras and other fish (obviously make sure your tank will not become over stocked!)

The Albino version is actually an African Clawed Frog (commonly mis-sold as an ADF), and these grow to around 7-8 inches (around 15 cm)... im afraid your tank is far, far to small.

To tell the difference between to the two, the ADF will have webbing on both his back and front legs, the ACF will have webbing only on its back legs, its front will be...unsurprisingly...clawed!!

A fully grown ACF will need around a 40L tank imo, if not bigger....so check which type of frog you have and buy your tank accordingly.

 

[bae1994]

i say ebay ebay

 

[-L-O-T-T-E-]

7L is not such an urgent situation (as in fish and frog dying of fish waste in a couple of days.) You could keep a betta in there or the frog, if it is indeed a dwarf frog. That tank looks good, and it's pretty good value for such a stylish 'all in one' kit. If money is a problem, then you can definitely find tanks of that size for a lot less money, but what you're likely to get is a little glass box, and a bit scratched up more often than not. It's pretty easy to find a cheap heater and personally I prefer to knock up my own filtration systems (more versatile as well as cheap) but cheap and effective filters are easy to find as well.

Does your current tank have a heater and filter?

No I don't have a heater... the guy in the shop said I didn't need one

So at the moment until they get bigger they are ok in my 7L one??

Yes, very important to understand that the decision about deciding to get a small tank is probably separate from the goldfish problem. Believe me, unless you have a lot of extra money to burn and want to get a very large 20 or 30 US gallon, the best move will be to find someone with a goldfish pond who will take the fish or a local fish shop that will take him off your hands.

The idea though that this has helped you get interested in the tropical fish hobby though is an entirely separate thing and wonderfu! I think of tanks in the 20g to 15g range as being kind of a "sweet spot" for less expensive starter situations for beginners. The larger amount of water (compared to 20L or 40L.. less than 15 gallons) actually makes it *easier* for a beginner because the water chemistry is more stable and easier to understand. Smaller tanks are actually a little trickier.

This is a really great site to have stumbled across for beginning in the hobby. The members here are fun to talk to and enjoy passing along all the info they've learned either here or from their own fishtanks. Its much more organized than trying to find your own way from fish shop advice or books.

~~waterdrop~~

Hellooooooooooooo... is the goldfish a problem??? Is my 7L ok?

Funnily enough, I brought an African Dwarf Frog today, these grow to around 1.5-2 inches and will happily live in a 25L tank with a few tetras and other fish (obviously make sure your tank will not become over stocked!)

The Albino version is actually an African Clawed Frog (commonly mis-sold as an ADF), and these grow to around 7-8 inches (around 15 cm)... im afraid your tank is far, far to small.

To tell the difference between to the two, the ADF will have webbing on both his back and front legs, the ACF will have webbing only on its back legs, its front will be...unsurprisingly...clawed!!

A fully grown ACF will need around a 40L tank imo, if not bigger....so check which type of frog you have and buy your tank accordingly.

Oopps its a ACF!!! He has black nails hehe

Hmmmm is he ok to stay in his current tank till he gets bigger?? he may eat my fish EEK

i say ebay ebay

Supiseingly its hard to find fish tanks on Ebay, they are so lost in all the other stuff I can't find them

 

[arobinson1984]

Yes your frog will start to eat any fish smaller than him as he grows.

You really need to get a bigger tank, if I was you I'd take the frog back becuase the clawed frogs will cause you nothing but hassle in an aquarium, if you wish to have a frog it needs to be a dwarf frog and as mentioned you'll be able to tell because a dwarf frog has webbing on its front feet.

The 20L you mentioned would be ok for a DWARF frog and a few small fish but still wouldnt be anywhere near big enough for the goldfish, they need an 80/120L tank for just 1 goldfish as they grow BIG and produce alot of waste

Andy

 

[waterdrop]

Hellooooooooooooo... is the goldfish a problem??? Is my 7L ok?

The 7 liter is about 69 liters short of what the goldfish would need, minimum (a 76L tank.) This would be for the goldfish alone, with no other fish or frog in there.

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