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[CAC]

Ive been offered a 7x2x2 (210 U.S Gallons) at a reasonable price, but im unsure about getting it. 1stly because of what to stock it with....I was wondering weather:
1x Aro (Asian Green, Jardini [very aggressive?] , Black or something else not too expensive, nor too big for the tank, like silvers do)
1x Large eel (Fire or Tyre Track etc.)
1x False siamese tiger
1x Ornate Bichir
1x Large Cat or something

Obviously i dont know weather that tank could hold so many fish, of their sizes, and if anyone has surrgestions then that would be great. I just want to see what i could keep in it, so that i can choose weather to get it...

Mikey

 

[cane76]

sounds like a sweet stocking list to me not to sure on aros but all those other fish will be fine in a tank that size imo.any ideas on the catfish?i would have a few tigers too not one

 

[pica_nuttalli]

1x Aro Jardini [very aggressive?]
1x False siamese tiger
1x Large Cat or something

based on my readings, i wouldn't necessarily recommend these three for your tank. CFC has repeatedly posted that Jardinis almost always end up being just too aggressive for tankmates. And if i recall correctly, the "false siamese tiger" would be too large for a 2' wide tank. Ditto for a lot of the "large catfish" although there are plenty cats which stay in the 12" range. But no red-tailed cats or anything like that.

A word to the wise, if you haven't already considered this: larger tanks can literally weigh a ton. this is my favorite online tank calculator. according to it, a 7'x2'x2' tank would weigh about 1,700 lbs. before you get the tank, you need to make 100% certain that you have a place to put it. if you don't or if you think you'll be moving house within the next couple of years, then i would recommend against the larger tank just based on logistics.

--EDIT--
my bad. the "false siamese tiger" would be ok in a 7x2x2 tank. but i would definitely still consult CFC about what other tankmates would be suitable.

one thing that i will recommend you to consider is that there are a lot of common species sold in LFS which are not truly suited to the typical tank size. bala sharks and clown loaches are specific examples of this. it may be worth your while to think about just getting some of these larger, less aggressive and more common species because they'll be a bit cheaper and less likely to need rehoming due to tank aggression.

also, i believe you were earlier interested in the black ghost knife? a 7x2x2 would be plenty to keep one or possibly even two of those.

 

[CAC]

sounds like a sweet stocking list to me not to sure on aros but all those other fish will be fine in a tank that size imo.any ideas on the catfish?i would have a few tigers too not one

Well ive been thinking...and i might not do the "large eel", but instead, do a couple of Shovelnose catfish and replace my large catfish with an oscar....id love one, but aggression wise, im not too sure.

Apparently a Black would be ok in that size tank, but its proving hard to find someone who can stock them...and their a little expensive (about £200-£250) and so i was wondering weather anyone could shed ligt on the Asian Greens?
ive looked on the internet, and cant find anything about them...

A few tigers would be good, but im not sure if putting 5 or 6 might overstock the tank with some of the other tankmates id like to include...

1x Aro Jardini [very aggressive?]
1x False siamese tiger
1x Large Cat or something

based on my readings, i wouldn't necessarily recommend these three for your tank. CFC has repeatedly posted that Jardinis almost always end up being just too aggressive for tankmates. And if i recall correctly, the "false siamese tiger" would be too large for a 2' wide tank. Ditto for a lot of the "large catfish" although there are plenty cats which stay in the 12" range. But no red-tailed cats or anything like that.

A word to the wise, if you haven't already considered this: larger tanks can literally weigh a ton. this is my favorite online tank calculator. according to it, a 7'x2'x2' tank would weigh about 1,700 lbs. before you get the tank, you need to make 100% certain that you have a place to put it. if you don't or if you think you'll be moving house within the next couple of years, then i would recommend against the larger tank just based on logistics.

--EDIT--
my bad. the "false siamese tiger" would be ok in a 7x2x2 tank. but i would definitely still consult CFC about what other tankmates would be suitable.

one thing that i will recommend you to consider is that there are a lot of common species sold in LFS which are not truly suited to the typical tank size. bala sharks and clown loaches are specific examples of this. it may be worth your while to think about just getting some of these larger, less aggressive and more common species because they'll be a bit cheaper and less likely to need rehoming due to tank aggression.

also, i believe you were earlier interested in the black ghost knife? a 7x2x2 would be plenty to keep one or possibly even two of those.

Same worry as me about the Jardinis...they are very aggressive apparently...
yes the false siamese tiger/s should fit in there...
Ill have to check out our house structure, cos if i did get it it would go upstairs...and i dont fancy 210Gs of water and fish crashing through the floor...

Thankyou both . Mikey

P.S, how long do aros live for? isnt it more than 20yrs?

 

[cane76]

as far as i know the only relatively cheap aros are jardini and silver all the others are gonna be in the hundreds or even thousands

 

[willtang3000]

a black arowana does cost alot i recently got offered one for £50 but still had its egg sack remember dont buy any at this stage as they are very fragile and yes arowanas have a roughly 20yr life on average

 

[CAC]

as far as i know the only relatively cheap aros are jardini and silver all the others are gonna be in the hundreds or even thousands

Well i know someone who can get me Greens and Leichardtis for less than £200.
Greens are £120-£190, but i can get them from somewhere else for £100, Jardinis are £30-£60 and silvers are like £55...
Leichardtis are £80-£150, but i know nothing about them..

I would love a Silver, i think their body forms are awesome, but when he/she gets too big, i dont want the risk of being stuck with a huge animal, or the commitment of haveing to buy a 300G...

Id love rays, but they need 3ft wide tanks dont they?

Mikey

 

[cane76]

you can get small rays do some research into it.also if you really like silvers why not grow one out until its about a foot or so then sell it or give it away.it wont take long to hit a foot mind you

 

[CAC]

you can get small rays do some research into it.also if you really like silvers why not grow one out until its about a foot or so then sell it.it wont take long mind you

Well i know that Hystrix are quite small, and only get to about a 14" disc (i think) and teacups also stay small.
I thought that all rays needed 3ft wide? if i could have 1 or more, then that would be awesome...

I though silvers would be very hard to sell, cos people would know how big they get, and you can pick them up for like £20...
also i wouldnt want someone to have it, and keep it in a tank thats too small for him/her...
but if you really think i could easily sell one, then that would be a good option...
i surrpose i could put an ad on a site, and see how many responses i get.?

Mikey
EDIT: Disc Size...still unsure though...

 

[cane76]

you may have to give the silver away but they are only £20.im sure you will find a lfs willing to take it for free.
as for the rays im sure you could have a hystrix in that tank.correct me if im wrong everyone

 

[CAC]

Well, its been said before that if you have one ray, then you have room for two, cos their so social...
also there are yepsi rays aswell...
if i did get rays, then it would need to be without bogwood/rocks etc., and i dont think i could have any bottom dwellers, or fish that need rocks/wood etc. (correct me if im wrong).

I wouldnt really want to give it to any of my LFS's, they arent very good...but i spose i would overcome that hurdle when i come to it..

 

[cane76]

if you have room for the tank in question i would definately get it you would have so many options get it and set it up and while thats happening decide what to stock it with.

 

[CAC]

Its not really the size...but more the weight...
do you think your upstairs floor could take 3/4 of a tonne?!?!
its damn heavy, 750 Kilos...

Shes going to send me pics tonight (hopefully) so i can get an idea of the stand. cos if its spread out, then i think my floor could take it.
Mikey

 

[CFC]

The only ray species that could comfortably live in a 24" wide tank for life are P.scobina which only grow to around 12" disc size. There is no such fish as a Teacup ray, this is just a generic name used by exporters/importers and dealers for small unidentified rays, most turn out to be P.reticulatus or P.hysterix.
Rays need most if not all of the bottom of the tank to be bare of obsticals so you are right that you would not be able to keep fish that require a cave or hiding place, sedentry fish that spend a lot of time not moving are likely to be eaten by rays anyway.

S.leichardtii is basicly the same fish as S.jardini, only their location and a slight variation in colour seperates them. Both are highly aggressive toward other fish and have a high likelyhood of needing to be kept alone.

If you have timber flooring joists then a tank that size is going to be a huge risk upstairs, most houses would require some strengthening of the floor downstairs for a 200g+ tank with a concrete plinth being installed below the floor in the crawl space, also getting a tank that size up the stairs is going to be extreemly difficult not only because of the weight but because of the length which will make manouvering the tank difficult if their is a landing or passageway to negotiate.

 

[CAC]

The only ray species that could comfortably live in a 24" wide tank for life are P.scobina which only grow to around 12" disc size. There is no such fish as a Teacup ray, this is just a generic name used by exporters/importers and dealers for small unidentified rays, most turn out to be P.reticulatus or P.hysterix.
Rays need most if not all of the bottom of the tank to be bare of obsticals so you are right that you would not be able to keep fish that require a cave or hiding place, sedentry fish that spend a lot of time not moving are likely to be eaten by rays anyway.

S.leichardtii is basicly the same fish as S.jardini, only their location and a slight variation in colour seperates them. Both are highly aggressive toward other fish and have a high likelyhood of needing to be kept alone.

If you have timber flooring joists then a tank that size is going to be a huge risk upstairs, most houses would require some strengthening of the floor downstairs for a 200g+ tank with a concrete plinth being installed below the floor in the crawl space, also getting a tank that size up the stairs is going to be extreemly difficult not only because of the weight but because of the length which will make manouvering the tank difficult if their is a landing or passageway to negotiate.

Ok, so scobina could live in that size tank, but how many and what tankmates, if any?

Im pretty sure i wouldnt be able to have it downstairs, and if you need a concrete plynth downstairs, then upstairs would not work really...
I could get upstairs, cos our front door is nearly opposite to the stairs, and on the landing, the room it would go into, wouldnt be a problem, as long as we had the manpower...

Mikey