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set my tank up on Sunday(5 days ago) added water conditioner and for 3 days in a row nutrafin cycle, did my 1st water test tonight but some thing doesnt seem right

PH-7.0
AMONIA-0
NITRITE-0
NITRATE-0

what do i have to do to make it right?
 
Have you got fish in the tank? if not you need to add some source of Ammonia to help bacteria build up.
Have a good read through the Beginners Section here http://www.fishforums.net/index.php?/topic/277264-beginners-resource-center/

Also what are you using to test the water? as I would expect to see some NitrAtes in the water even in a new tank.
 
NO FISH IN TANK I WAS TOLD TO ADD FOOD TWICE A WEEK, AND USING A API TESTING KIT
 
NO FISH IN TANK I WAS TOLD TO ADD FOOD TWICE A WEEK, AND USING A API TESTING KIT

Adding food will provide some ammonia to help bacteria form but if you are looking to do a full "fishless" cycle, by using some sort of household Ammonia the cycle will not take as long that it would if just using fish food.

As all ready said have a good read of the Beginners Section, mainly read up about fishless cycling :good:

In regards to your NitrAte test do it again and be sure to bash bottle 2 on a hard surface a few times before giving it a good shake, without doing this the test is very inaccurate.

PS; well done with not just buying fish straight away, if you follow the instructions and do a full fishless cycle your fish will be very happy once you add them to the tank, also get some pictures of your tank up for us to see :D
 
will try and get hold of amonia tommorrow how much do i add at a time, did Nitrate test twice came out same both times...........0
regardin ictures looks a bit boring as now plants or fish in
 
will try and get hold of amonia tommorrow how much do i add at a time, did Nitrate test twice came out same both times...........0
regardin ictures looks a bit boring as now plants or fish in

How big is your tank?
 
will try and get hold of amonia tommorrow how much do i add at a time, did Nitrate test twice came out same both times...........0
regardin ictures looks a bit boring as now plants or fish in

How big is your tank?
63 litre(uk)

Have a look at this http://www.fishforums.net/aquarium-calculator.htm at the bottom it tells you how much Ammonia you will need to add, when I followed the fishless cycle I found that I didnt have to add as much but most people go by the calculator is a good guide.

Also have a good read through this thread, it will explain how to do a fishless cycle properly. http://www.fishforums.net/index.php?/topic/113861-fishless-cycling/
 
Have a look at this http://www.fishforums.net/aquarium-calculator.htm at the bottom it tells you how much Ammonia you will need to add, when I followed the fishless cycle I found that I didnt have to add as much but most people go by the calculator is a good guide.

Also have a good read through this thread, it will explain how to do a fishless cycle properly. http://www.fishforums.net/index.php?/topic/113861-fishless-cycling/
its in us gallons how many in uk litres?
 
Have a look at this http://www.fishforums.net/aquarium-calculator.htm at the bottom it tells you how much Ammonia you will need to add, when I followed the fishless cycle I found that I didnt have to add as much but most people go by the calculator is a good guide.

Also have a good read through this thread, it will explain how to do a fishless cycle properly. http://www.fishforums.net/index.php?/topic/113861-fishless-cycling/
its in us gallons how many in uk litres?

You want to use the Ammonia calculator at the bottom, and it is set to litres it says to add 3.3ml of Ammonia to your tank, then leave your tank for a week then test for only ammonia daily, one day the ammonia will be gone, then add 3.3ml more and test daily till it is gone again ect ect.

If you just read through the link on "fishless cycling" it will save me having to type all the instructions out :good:
 
forgive me if iam being stupid but not sure how this works,added ammonia last night tested it this morning and went from 0 to 8 overnight, how does the ammonia disappear and nitrate appear or do i have to do anything??
 
Hi peediedj67, I agree with Livewire88 - it is wonderful that you have started your tank but not added fish and are starting a fishless cycle. The method of using ammonia to get your biofilter up and going is much more controlled and understandable (it's still a tricky thing sometimes!) than just using fish food.

Even with the calculator it can still be a little tricky figuring out how many milliliters or drops of your particular household ammonia to add to your particular tank. In your case the ammonia concentration turned out a little high. If it still tests at 8ppm all you need to do is replace an inch or two of tank water with some dechlorinated tap water and try to get it down to 4 or 5ppm instead. (You don't really want it up around 8ppm as this can encourage the wrong species of bacteria.)

OK, on to your question of how the ammonia goes down and the nitrite goes up. The first thing to understand is that you are at the very beginning of a potentially very slow process that could take anywhere from 3 weeks to more than a month or two. This is just to say that you want your expectations to be in terms of looking for a change over a period of days rather than right away.

In the cycling process you are trying to create a "biofilter" (biological filter.) Bacteria grow in colonies within a sticky film called a biofilm and mutate into a whole range of types within any given film. All the types we want center around two specific species. The first is Nitrosomonas, which we like the call the A-Bacs because they take ammonia and process it in to nitrate(NO2). The second type is Nitrospira, which we call N-Bacs because they process that nitrite(NO2) into a different substance, nitrate(NO3) which we can remove from the tank water with weekly water changes.

In the first phase of fishless cycling what you're watching for is the first evidence that a colony of A-Bacs has started growing in your filter. For the first few days (or even a week or two) there may not be enough A-Bacs to process any of your ammonia that you can see. But all of a sudden (usually it seems sudden, sometimes it's slower) your concentration of 5ppm ammonia will drop to a lower reading (like 3ppm or 2ppm or all the way to zero ppm) and this will be your first sign that the A-Bacs are growing. Once you test at zero ppm you know you have to dose the tank with more ammonia and put it back at 4-5ppm. (But you don't keep it constantly at 5ppm, you just dose it if you get down to zero or very close to that.)

Meanwhile, after a week or so, or after you've seen some dropping ammonia levels, you should start to hope that your second test, the nitrite(NO2) test, will begin to show some NO2 in the water. When this happens it is a further sign that the A-Bacs have taken off and are really processing a lot of ammonia (plus you'll know you've been adding more frequently.) Once the nitrite(NO2) spikes to as high as the test can measure you know you're in the "nitrite spike phase" and at that point a lot of us like to modify our dosing of the tank down a little, to perhaps 2-3ppm just so that not as much ammonia overall is going in to the tank.

Even though there is a lot of NO2 showing up in the nitrite spike stage, there are still N-Bacs beginning to grow in the filter and they will be slowly beginning to process some of that NO2 into nitrate(NO3) and the NO3 will have an impact on our cycling water. What happens once a lot of NO3 starts to get in there is that some of it is acidic and it can use up all the minerals our water has sometimes and force the pH to suddenly drop down in the pH = 6 range. The bacteria don't like this dropping of the pH and will stop reproducing as quickly! Sometimes we have to do a large water change (with conditioner and temp matching) when this happens to keep the fishless cycling process going along.

I hope this gives you a peek at the road ahead. The members here are great and no doubt will keep your questions answered and keep you encouraged. You'll be a much better fishkeeper for having learned how your filter really works!

~~waterdrop~~
 
Hi peediedj67, I agree with Livewire88 - it is wonderful that you have started your tank but not added fish and are starting a fishless cycle. The method of using ammonia to get your biofilter up and going is much more controlled and understandable (it's still a tricky thing sometimes!) than just using fish food.

Even with the calculator it can still be a little tricky figuring out how many milliliters or drops of your particular household ammonia to add to your particular tank. In your case the ammonia concentration turned out a little high. If it still tests at 8ppm all you need to do is replace an inch or two of tank water with some dechlorinated tap water and try to get it down to 4 or 5ppm instead. (You don't really want it up around 8ppm as this can encourage the wrong species of bacteria.)

OK, on to your question of how the ammonia goes down and the nitrite goes up. The first thing to understand is that you are at the very beginning of a potentially very slow process that could take anywhere from 3 weeks to more than a month or two. This is just to say that you want your expectations to be in terms of looking for a change over a period of days rather than right away.

In the cycling process you are trying to create a "biofilter" (biological filter.) Bacteria grow in colonies within a sticky film called a biofilm and mutate into a whole range of types within any given film. All the types we want center around two specific species. The first is Nitrosomonas, which we like the call the A-Bacs because they take ammonia and process it in to nitrate(NO2). The second type is Nitrospira, which we call N-Bacs because they process that nitrite(NO2) into a different substance, nitrate(NO3) which we can remove from the tank water with weekly water changes.

In the first phase of fishless cycling what you're watching for is the first evidence that a colony of A-Bacs has started growing in your filter. For the first few days (or even a week or two) there may not be enough A-Bacs to process any of your ammonia that you can see. But all of a sudden (usually it seems sudden, sometimes it's slower) your concentration of 5ppm ammonia will drop to a lower reading (like 3ppm or 2ppm or all the way to zero ppm) and this will be your first sign that the A-Bacs are growing. Once you test at zero ppm you know you have to dose the tank with more ammonia and put it back at 4-5ppm. (But you don't keep it constantly at 5ppm, you just dose it if you get down to zero or very close to that.)

Meanwhile, after a week or so, or after you've seen some dropping ammonia levels, you should start to hope that your second test, the nitrite(NO2) test, will begin to show some NO2 in the water. When this happens it is a further sign that the A-Bacs have taken off and are really processing a lot of ammonia (plus you'll know you've been adding more frequently.) Once the nitrite(NO2) spikes to as high as the test can measure you know you're in the "nitrite spike phase" and at that point a lot of us like to modify our dosing of the tank down a little, to perhaps 2-3ppm just so that not as much ammonia overall is going in to the tank.

Even though there is a lot of NO2 showing up in the nitrite spike stage, there are still N-Bacs beginning to grow in the filter and they will be slowly beginning to process some of that NO2 into nitrate(NO3) and the NO3 will have an impact on our cycling water. What happens once a lot of NO3 starts to get in there is that some of it is acidic and it can use up all the minerals our water has sometimes and force the pH to suddenly drop down in the pH = 6 range. The bacteria don't like this dropping of the pH and will stop reproducing as quickly! Sometimes we have to do a large water change (with conditioner and temp matching) when this happens to keep the fishless cycling process going along.

I hope this gives you a peek at the road ahead. The members here are great and no doubt will keep your questions answered and keep you encouraged. You'll be a much better fishkeeper for having learned how your filter really works!

~~waterdrop~~
wasnt sure on best way of putting ammonia in the tank,got a plastic syringe and tried to draw a amount out of bottle but couldnt so poured it into syringe but think 5mm went in tank instead of 3.3 will this make a big difference?
 
another silly question, once ammonia levels get to 0 why do i need to add more if i want it to be 0??
 
Hi peediedj67, I agree with Livewire88 - it is wonderful that you have started your tank but not added fish and are starting a fishless cycle. The method of using ammonia to get your biofilter up and going is much more controlled and understandable (it's still a tricky thing sometimes!) than just using fish food.

Even with the calculator it can still be a little tricky figuring out how many milliliters or drops of your particular household ammonia to add to your particular tank. In your case the ammonia concentration turned out a little high. If it still tests at 8ppm all you need to do is replace an inch or two of tank water with some dechlorinated tap water and try to get it down to 4 or 5ppm instead. (You don't really want it up around 8ppm as this can encourage the wrong species of bacteria.)

OK, on to your question of how the ammonia goes down and the nitrite goes up. The first thing to understand is that you are at the very beginning of a potentially very slow process that could take anywhere from 3 weeks to more than a month or two. This is just to say that you want your expectations to be in terms of looking for a change over a period of days rather than right away.

In the cycling process you are trying to create a "biofilter" (biological filter.) Bacteria grow in colonies within a sticky film called a biofilm and mutate into a whole range of types within any given film. All the types we want center around two specific species. The first is Nitrosomonas, which we like the call the A-Bacs because they take ammonia and process it in to nitrate(NO2). The second type is Nitrospira, which we call N-Bacs because they process that nitrite(NO2) into a different substance, nitrate(NO3) which we can remove from the tank water with weekly water changes.

In the first phase of fishless cycling what you're watching for is the first evidence that a colony of A-Bacs has started growing in your filter. For the first few days (or even a week or two) there may not be enough A-Bacs to process any of your ammonia that you can see. But all of a sudden (usually it seems sudden, sometimes it's slower) your concentration of 5ppm ammonia will drop to a lower reading (like 3ppm or 2ppm or all the way to zero ppm) and this will be your first sign that the A-Bacs are growing. Once you test at zero ppm you know you have to dose the tank with more ammonia and put it back at 4-5ppm. (But you don't keep it constantly at 5ppm, you just dose it if you get down to zero or very close to that.)

Meanwhile, after a week or so, or after you've seen some dropping ammonia levels, you should start to hope that your second test, the nitrite(NO2) test, will begin to show some NO2 in the water. When this happens it is a further sign that the A-Bacs have taken off and are really processing a lot of ammonia (plus you'll know you've been adding more frequently.) Once the nitrite(NO2) spikes to as high as the test can measure you know you're in the "nitrite spike phase" and at that point a lot of us like to modify our dosing of the tank down a little, to perhaps 2-3ppm just so that not as much ammonia overall is going in to the tank.

Even though there is a lot of NO2 showing up in the nitrite spike stage, there are still N-Bacs beginning to grow in the filter and they will be slowly beginning to process some of that NO2 into nitrate(NO3) and the NO3 will have an impact on our cycling water. What happens once a lot of NO3 starts to get in there is that some of it is acidic and it can use up all the minerals our water has sometimes and force the pH to suddenly drop down in the pH = 6 range. The bacteria don't like this dropping of the pH and will stop reproducing as quickly! Sometimes we have to do a large water change (with conditioner and temp matching) when this happens to keep the fishless cycling process going along.

I hope this gives you a peek at the road ahead. The members here are great and no doubt will keep your questions answered and keep you encouraged. You'll be a much better fishkeeper for having learned how your filter really works!

~~waterdrop~~
wasnt sure on best way of putting ammonia in the tank,got a plastic syringe and tried to draw a amount out of bottle but couldnt so poured it into syringe but think 5mm went in tank instead of 3.3 will this make a big difference?

It will make a difference, as Waterdrop said idealy you are best to keep the Ammonia level to around 4ppm, just replace some of the tank water with clean dechlorinated tap water, then test again to see if the level is around 4-5ppm.

another silly question, once ammonia levels get to 0 why do i need to add more if i want it to be 0??

Once the Ammonia level has gone to 0 you add more Ammonia so that the bacteria is kept fed and therefore can multiply to the amount you need to be able to add your fish. In the eary stages your filter will take more than 1 day to process 4-5ppm of Ammonia. When you get to the point that your filter can process 4-5 ppm of Ammonia per day, the fishless cycle will almost be complete.

Keep being patient, all good things come to those who wait :good:
 

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