14.53 Uk Gal Tank

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Hi i would like to have my 14.53 UK gal as a comunity tank, would i be able to have 1-2 angels in it with other fish? Just wondering because my auntie had the same size tank and hers had:
2x angels
3x clown loaches
1x plec (don't know what type)
6-7x neon tetras.
The female angel became eggbound so she is left with just 1 angel now.
 
No 15 gallons is far too small for angels and clown loaches and plecs. That is a horrifically stocked tank IMO.

Angelfish get to about 6-8 inches tall and equally as long, they are also a territorial fish and that size tank does not provide any of that. Also because of their height they need a tall tank otherwise they really are trapped in a box, which these in question are.

Clown loaches are again a big fish, slowgrowing but never the less big fish. They will work out at about 10 inches to a foot long each. They also need to be in large groups ideally but again because of size most people keep about 5 or 6 in a 6 foot tank.

Plecs again massive massive fish this will get too at least 10 inches despite the tank they are in they grow very fast and your auntie is going to be in a real mess in a few months.

In a tank that overstocked, I feel the angel did not die of being egg bound as in a tank that size they wont have been able to grow to the size needed to breed. Nor will they have felt they had enough territory to breed or safely raise a brood. Since they described them as being egg bound I am guessing the fish was bloated. If this is the case it is more likely to have been dropsy an internal parasite problem that could have been solved with some medicine.

Your aunties tank sounds like an LFS has advised her to keep these fish as they are typical fish that are sold to unsuitable tanks. The only fish that belong in a 15 gallon tank on that list are the neon tetras.

Unfortunately its a no to this and I think it would be a good idea to pass my advice to your auntie and try and get her to join the forum and we can try and help her as well :)

If you want to keep a fish that is similar to angelfish in behaviour, you could try having a look at cockatoo cichlids called Apistogramma Cacatuoides have a search of them and see what you think. Also look at Bolivian Rams and Redbreasted Acaras they are other dwarf cichlids that would do nicely in your 15 gallon tank with some small fish like neon tetras, rummy nose tetras or harlequin rasboras. :)

Hope thats helped and sorry about the negativity but its to help you and to try and avert a disaster of a tank that will ultimately end in fish death like that of your aunts

Wills

*also this thread belongs in either the new world section or the tropical discussion as Angels are new world cichlids from south america rather than south africa.
 
No 15 gallons is far too small for angels and clown loaches and plecs. That is a horrifically stocked tank IMO.

Angelfish get to about 6-8 inches tall and equally as long, they are also a territorial fish and that size tank does not provide any of that. Also because of their height they need a tall tank otherwise they really are trapped in a box, which these in question are.

Clown loaches are again a big fish, slowgrowing but never the less big fish. They will work out at about 10 inches to a foot long each. They also need to be in large groups ideally but again because of size most people keep about 5 or 6 in a 6 foot tank.

Plecs again massive massive fish this will get too at least 10 inches despite the tank they are in they grow very fast and your auntie is going to be in a real mess in a few months.

In a tank that overstocked, I feel the angel did not die of being egg bound as in a tank that size they wont have been able to grow to the size needed to breed. Nor will they have felt they had enough territory to breed or safely raise a brood. Since they described them as being egg bound I am guessing the fish was bloated. If this is the case it is more likely to have been dropsy an internal parasite problem that could have been solved with some medicine.

Your aunties tank sounds like an LFS has advised her to keep these fish as they are typical fish that are sold to unsuitable tanks. The only fish that belong in a 15 gallon tank on that list are the neon tetras.

Unfortunately its a no to this and I think it would be a good idea to pass my advice to your auntie and try and get her to join the forum and we can try and help her as well :)

If you want to keep a fish that is similar to angelfish in behaviour, you could try having a look at cockatoo cichlids called Apistogramma Cacatuoides have a search of them and see what you think. Also look at Bolivian Rams and Redbreasted Acaras they are other dwarf cichlids that would do nicely in your 15 gallon tank with some small fish like neon tetras, rummy nose tetras or harlequin rasboras. :)

Hope thats helped and sorry about the negativity but its to help you and to try and avert a disaster of a tank that will ultimately end in fish death like that of your aunts

Wills

*also this thread belongs in either the new world section or the tropical discussion as Angels are new world cichlids from south america rather than south africa.



Sorry didn't really know what section to put it in. Forgot to mention it's a hex tank aka tall will ask her if she wants to join. Will look at the cichlids and rams you mentioned it's ok if i can't have angels their just really nice fish. Any sort of small, inexpensive plec i could find or could i have some cories in there?
Also instead of an agressive cichlid how about a pair of kribensis?
Sorry for the questions.
 
The cichlids I mentioned would be more peaceful than Kribs IMO but also I think 15g is a bit small for kribs.

Any of the dwarf cichlids I mentioned would work really nice with some pygmy cories. As for small plecs just go for bulldog plecs L187 quite cheap and common but avoid any other type of common plec even bristlenoses will get too big for that tank IMO. You could even do a small school as well.

Maybe something like
2 Redbreasted Acara (1m 1f)
6 Rummy nose tetras
6 Pygmy corys
1 Bulldog Plec

Wills
 
The cichlids I mentioned would be more peaceful than Kribs IMO but also I think 15g is a bit small for kribs.

Any of the dwarf cichlids I mentioned would work really nice with some pygmy cories. As for small plecs just go for bulldog plecs L187 quite cheap and common but avoid any other type of common plec even bristlenoses will get too big for that tank IMO. You could even do a small school as well.

Maybe something like
2 Redbreasted Acara (1m 1f)
6 Rummy nose tetras
6 Pygmy corys
1 Bulldog Plec

Wills


Think i might skip the plec then cause i'm not to keen on bulldog plecs, don't really like the rummy nose tetras or redbreasted acara either. Are pygmy cories easy to breed? How about this?
2 cockatoo cichlids (1m 1f).
4 pygmy cories.
4 Albino cories.
school of xray tetras.

XxxcosmoxxX
 
Lol not a lot of people like laetacaras but they are one of my favs lol.

I would do a trio of the cockatoos with one male and two females so that the male spreads the love around, like with livebearers. Xray tetras might be okay little big but not the biggest tetras in the world so yeah go for about 6. With the cories I said the pygmy because the tank is quite small not sure on albinos in a small tank, but you could get lucky and find albino pygmy cories :lol:
 
Lol not a lot of people like laetacaras but they are one of my favs lol.

I would do a trio of the cockatoos with one male and two females so that the male spreads the love around, like with livebearers. Xray tetras might be okay little big but not the biggest tetras in the world so yeah go for about 6. With the cories I said the pygmy because the tank is quite small not sure on albinos in a small tank, but you could get lucky and find albino pygmy cories :lol:

Ok i think albino bronze cories get about 3-4" don't they? I would rather have an albino species of cories, if i was lucky enough to find albino pygmies i would take them. Would i be able to have a sand substrate and if so what type of sand?
 
Yeah sand is recommend for cories it protects their mouths and barbels :) I really would go for one of the dwarf species there are a few dwarf cory species not sure of all their names though. If you go for sand just get play sand, if you live in the UK I would recommend the play sand from argos £2.99 and perfectly safe for fish tanks.
 
Yeah sand is recommend for cories it protects their mouths and barbels :) I really would go for one of the dwarf species there are a few dwarf cory species not sure of all their names though. If you go for sand just get play sand, if you live in the UK I would recommend the play sand from argos £2.99 and perfectly safe for fish tanks.


Ok yeah i do live in the UK will try and get some asap so i can cycle my tank for about1-2 months. I also have a 2ft tank (12 UK gals) that i have livebearers in if you look at common livebearers>My 2ft tank. Thats my tank before and after i added plants, let me know if you think i should add more plants as all 3 of my female guppies are heavily preggers.

I also forgot to mention that my auntie had got her tank about 5-6 years ago and has always had the same fish never different or anything.
 
Had a look at your other thread, plants are up to you the ones you have now will fill in soon but depends on how quick you want stuff :)

Do you know about fishless cycling? It really is the easiest way to make sure your fish will survive :)

With your aunties tank, the way we recommend fish keeping and the way that the members of this forum keep their fish are a set of standards that we agree are humane and put the fishes life and health as the absolute main priority. Just because your auntie put those fish in the tank and they were alive does not mean that they were thriving or growing properly are all the fish in there 5 years old? People keep fish in ignorance all the time and it is their choice there is nothing we can do to stop them but I think your aunt is lucky that she has only lost one fish. In my opinion the way those fish are being kept is cruel, the stocking sounds more like the start of a plan for a 6 foot 125 gallon tank rather than a 20 gallon tank.
 
Ok i know that just because they were alive does not mean they were growing properly i was just saying that i forgot to mention that. They were always the same except that she did actually start out with 4 angels, then 2 paired up and started bullying the others so she took the 2 that were getting bullied to her LFS. the plec wasn't a large plec just a small plec not really a common or a sailfin. She also had a 4ft tank with:
Platies (to many to count)
Guppies (once again to many to count)
About 5xSailfin mollies
1x albino red tailed shark
1x Bristlenose plec
2x clownloach.
 
Would i be able to have this set up for my 15 gal tank?

Decor and substrate.

Sand substrate.
Rocks and plants.

Fish.
10X Neon tetras.
6x Pygmy cories.
6X Xray tetras.
 
Bit of a heavy stock but it may be doable if you add the stock slowly and have an oversized filter on the tank along with regular water changes. The heavier the stock the more strict you have to be about weekly water changes as your tank will be 100% stocked at that point. I would look to do that stock over 4 months probably with big waits between the addition of the fish.
 
Bit of a heavy stock but it may be doable if you add the stock slowly and have an oversized filter on the tank along with regular water changes. The heavier the stock the more strict you have to be about weekly water changes as your tank will be 100% stocked at that point. I would look to do that stock over 4 months probably with big waits between the addition of the fish.


Ok wasn't going to add all stock at the same time as it can be fatal to the fish.
 
I recently found out that the lid for the hexagonal tank is missing. Anyone know anywhere that i can get 1 from? I will need the lid for the tank as i have everything else except the lid.
 

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