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Hmmm...and I've heard that it's almost certainly a waste of time. It's supposed to contain live bacteria to boost your filter isn't it? Bacteria just can't survive in a bottle with no food source or flow of oxygenated water.

Honestly, a dechlorinator and plenty of water changes are all that 90% of tanks need, ever.

@This Old Spouse; lol, glad to be of assistance :D
 
Blueflash, I am going to interfere a bit here. The test strips that you are using are not quite useless but I would not rely on them for anything important. I would do a single 30% water change and then resume doing at least 20% each week for a few weeks. That will get your water back to the parameters it should have. Other additives are not needed and should be avoided unless you know what they contain. Simple dechlorination for water changes will make things right in your tank. I would not call a tank that has had only 2 water changes since December neglected, but it is receiving less than ideal care. By bringing the number of water changes up, your fish will quickly recover from any effects of the less than ideal care they have received. Do not be too surprised to see your newly improved fish show signs of reproducing. Fish that have been under stress will often respond to improved conditions by trying to reproduce.
Bacteria boosters are a waste of money in almost every case. I am sure that a new fresh bottle of the stuff, 5 minutes after it was placed in the bottle, could indeed help out a tank's filter, but by the time we see the stuff, it has been sealed in an air tight container for months. By then any live bacteria are dead and all that is left is some organic material that will rot in your tank. I can achieve the same thing by using straight ammonium hydroxide in a water solution, what we call ammonia when we are doing fishless cycling.
As long as you have good water circulation, no air stone is really needed. I have lots of them in my tanks because I like the bubbles, but that is not a necessity for the fish in most tanks. I do keep a few tanks with nothing but sponge filters and box filters. Since those tanks use air to circulate the water through the filter, bubbles are needed in them.
 
So this afternoon I went to pick up two more live plants, an anacharis and a giant bacopa(though not so giant right now). I also got a little chinese algae eater. When I put them in, afterwards i noticed the water wasn't that cloudy anymore. Does that mean that the mini cycle is ending?

I have this filter. Would you consider it as enough water circulation?
I would do a single 30% water change and then resume doing at least 20% each week for a few weeks. That will get your water back to the parameters it should have.
I thought big water changes were stressful for fish?

I would do a single 30% water change and then resume doing at least 20% each week for a few weeks. That will get your water back to the parameters it should have.
What about the pH? I have always had to use chemicals to lower the pH as the tap water is higher than normal. I have read that neon and cardinal tetras as well as dwarf gourmis do better in softer water. How do I make this happen without chems?

Thank you all for your quick and detailed responses. They are greatly appreciated.
 
I have no experience of that particular filter I'm afraid, but it should do the job perfectly adequately.

Big water changes are not stressful to fish, as long as the water is of roughly the same temperature and is dechlorinated. If there was one thing I could impress on new fishkeepers it would be that. You'll find plenty of experienced fishkeepers doing 60, 70, even 90% changes with no problems at all.

pH is not as important as a lot of newbies think. Most of our fish are far more adaptable to differing pHs than people realise. It's massive swings in pH that tend to cause more problems, and unfortunatly lowering the pH artificially can cause this to happen as most water that's high in pH is that way because of dissolved solids. Those solids 'buffer' the water, so even if you lower it, it tends to swing back to being high very soon.
 
This morning I woke up and the water was completely cleared. Yay! Does that mean the mini-cycle has ended?
I also noticed that a neon tetra from the origional group was skinnier than the rest of the fish. When I fed them, the little one was too timid to get food with the others and would only eat their leftovers ( rarely was there any ). What should I do?
 
Cloudy water and mini-spikes are not the same thing. They can be related (or unrelated) but each may have a different duration and each may happen independently.

Limiting our discussion to milky/gray cloudy water (there is also green cloudy water due to types of unattached algae, which is a totally different subject) we call this a "bacterial bloom" and the cloudiness you are seeing are the actual millions of cells of bacteria. These are mostly heterotrophic bacteria (differen species from the beneficial bacteria we try to grow in our filters.) The bacteria are feeding on some sudden abundance of some type of organic substance they can process (by contrast, our filter autotrophic bacteria process inorganic materials, not organic) and this happens frequently in new tanks. In established, older tanks it happens infrequently, usually in association with lapsed care. In new tanks it can be excess material from the glues used to construct the tank and have nothing to do with the biofilter nitrogen cycle. In old tanks it can be blooming heterotrophs feeding on excess organics stirred up in a tank where lack of care has allow excess debris to remain.

Mini-spiking refers to short-term elevated levels of the two substances that are the nemesis of fishkeeping, ammonia(NH3) and nitrite(NO2). The basis we use to reliably judge these two substances in our freshwater tank are the test results from simple liquid-reagent test kits. These are crude by laboratory standards but are the minimum type of test that works well for fishkeeping. Any traces of ammonia or nitrite(NO2) can be considered to be a mini-spike. The transition point from mini-spiking to "being in a fish-in cycling situation" is when the water steadily shows a level of ammonia or nitrite that does not drop back down to zero. A level of 0.25ppm or higher for either poison can be the beginning of permanent gill and/or nerve damage and at this sort of marginal level is particularly insideous because the fish often don't show stress symptoms like at they do up at the 1ppm level, where you often see a reduction in normal movement patterns and often a loss of color and sometimes positioning at a different place in the tank from normal.

So unfortunately, observation of cloudiness being present or going away is a poor substitute for having a good liquid-reagent based test kit and being ready to use it more frequently for a spell when you suspect something might be wrong in your tank!

Neon tetras don't like to grab flake from the water surface. They are probably among the many mid-tank fish who feel extra stress when they get near the surface due to higher than normal vulnerability to predators above the surface as they evolved. They have colors more readily seen above the surface probably. It's always good to remember that different species feel different stresses related to surface or substrate, sheltered or unsheltered, based on the evolution of their species.

Anyway, in my opinion, the simple trick with neons and other mid-tetras is to gently grind the flake just below the water surface and slightly swirl your fingers so that you get a more widely distributed raining down of flake bits. This way the big eaters can't get to it all but the little tetras will have plenty to find and attack as the food goes down. If you have a planted tank, a little excess food is no problem as it just adds to the macronutrients (N and P) for the plants and your weekly substrate-clean-water-change should get rid of most of the excess.

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O.K, so basically this is what I do each week:
1. Do a 20% water change
2. Add dechorinator
3. test water parameters
4. feed fish
5. rinse out filter

I also have a little chinese algae eater.
If there is so much algae in my tank will it die of "overfeeding"?
And does it only eat algae? Flake food?
 
Unless you have clogging or some other specific reason, rinsing the filter weekly may be a bit too often. If filter cleaning is too frequent and too physical it might slow down some of the bacteria establishment. We often recommend starting at once a month (or every two weeks with smaller filters or obvious need upon observation) and then keeping a log of your nitrate(NO3) readings to see if they are holding steady or trying to creep upward. Nitrate in a range of 15 to 20ppm -above- whatever your tap water nitrate is can be a reasonable range - it's different for different people.

Are you deep cleaning the gravel if you have gravel (or thoroughly cleaning the surfaces if you have sand?) All water changes should be done via a gravel-cleaning siphon process.

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Yep! I siphon the gravel though I don't deep clean where my plants are because they will hurt my plants. Also, my LFS recommended this for my plants although they said only put half of what they recommend.(first time put 5 mL, every day put 1 mL) (cut by half, first time put 2.5, everyother day put 1 mL. What do you think? Should I get it?
 
Yes, that is what I dose every day for my plants. It takes care (to some extent) of their need for the element Carbon (C) which is one of about 17 elements they need. Excel is an example of what we call "liquid carbon" and in actuality is a very complicated molecule that is able to be used by the plant (well, some plants) at just the right stage and provide Carbon as if the water had higher CO2 content which is the more natural way for plants to get Carbon.

Excess fishfood can provide a good amount of the N & P (Nitrogen and Phosphorus) that plants need as macronutrients and the third macro, K (Potassium) is sometimes dosed or it is hoped that the fishfood will also provide some of that. Of course H and O (Hydrogena and Oxygen) are readily available to the plant via water and gases dissolving in the water. Next come Calcium, Magnesium, Iron and other elements present in trace amounts which can either come in via the tap water or are often dosed via a general mix of fertilizer sometimes simply labeled as "Trace."

If you are in the UK you can use a fert called "TPN+" to provide a really nice balance of things other than the carbon or if you are in the US you can decide between the general "Flourish" product or the individual ones. Some people have great tanks for growing plants just from traces coming in via their tap, so it can be good to try that first for a while. Sorry to be so detailed, I rather enjoy plants.

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I have 3 plants. So I just put half of the recommended amount right?
I also have a little chinese algae eater. Many have said that they are quite aggresive as they grow. MY mom won't let me get rid of it. What should I do?
 
Wait until it starts killing your other fish, then see if she'll let you rehome it.
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Ok, I'll wait for it. Hopefully when she sees them dropping like flies, she'll understand.
Speaking of aggressiveness, one of my cardinal tetras has started chasing all of my other cardinals and neons. Is this ok? What should I do?
I also notice some browning on some of my plants' leaves I just got on friday. Is this just a normal behaviour or should I be alerted?
 
Some tetras can be quite aggressive; it's normally nothing to worry about as they don't usually do any harm. The only thing you can do to stop it is add more to the shoal.

I don't know much about plants but browning could just mean they are settling in; a lot of plants seen to die back a bit after being moved, so give it some time. If the leaves are obviously dead then pick them off rather than leaving them to rot, but be careful not to disturb the roots when you do it; scissors might be best,
 

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