nork
Fish Fanatic
it might be good if you help give us another experience of what happens in the 90s.![]()
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Oh sure, easy to say when it's not your tank.
Anybody else have any input on my tank being 90*F?
Day 5 updated.
it might be good if you help give us another experience of what happens in the 90s.![]()
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) we all get down to in tweeking temperature and pH and other factors really kind of pale in comparison to the other huge unknowns we are all subject to!
) Then we work our way through all the boring average houses with heat and heaters in the tank and finally we're back to the question at hand 76F.. 84F.. 90F? Well, you're right, we know the warmer stuff mid-eightys up to.. somewhere.. is faster. That's been shown both from just watching all the hundreds of threads and also from the scientific literature (which some of us geeks read from time to time and others of us actually do for a living I think!) The guy who is serving as our TFF baseline currently is RDD, the writer of our fishless cycling article. He put in some quality time researching and summarizing many of the different articles and experiences out there starting way back at the Chris Cow beginnings in 1980 and moving forward. RDD's last feeling on it was that the low 90s(F) were a promising possibility. So that's a strong note if favor of trying it. The little bits on information counter to that came from another fellow, Tim Hovanec who's about the only guy we know who actually put some rows of tanks up in a laboratory and worked on some fishless cycling questions while getting his doctorate. Somewhere (and I apologize I can't remember where) in his several published papers and some of his interactions here on TFF, he expressed some concerns about problems that might arise as you go above 84F. That plus, I believe, a few random cases with really warm water that seemed not be particularly fast where the thing that settled me down at 84F. But as you can see, there's not a strong case either way, so in truth I really don't think there'd be much risk in trying any of these temperatures between mid-eightys and low ninetys if you want to. Just be sure and keep it right on your chosen temp so we will have a decent data point to store up in our minds later.As far as I know, the high level pH is usually of an orange hue. I started out with a pretty high pH myself, at about 8.2, and even then it was browny orange and not at all pink. I have had it come down through the complete range to 7.4 (lowest on the card), and it always remains of an orange tint.On my API high level pH test kit, the color shows up as a bright pink

Yes, there are two species involved: Nitrosomonas spp. (these oxidize the ammonia into nitrite(NO2)) and Nitrospira spp. (these oxidize nitrite(NO2) into nitrate(NO3)). Both species are chemolithoautotrophs, which are anaerobic bacteria that avoid light and are unusually slow growers. Bacteria that are "lithotrophs" (the name derives from "eaters of rock") are ones that process inorganic materials (ammonia, calcium, iron, etc) rather than organic (carbon chain based) materials like heterotrophic(eat living or dead organic materials) or saprotrophic(eat dead or decaying materials) bacteria.speaking from working in a kitchen (as a chef), most bacteria stop reproducing (or at least slow right down) below about 5 degrees C, and above 65 degrees C, although higher is needed to kill them, so reversing this (as you want the bacteria to grow, not die or stop) It would make sense that the optimum temp would be directly between those 2, at about 35 degrees C, which is.... 95 fahrenheit. although I have no idea of the actual prefered temps of the specific bacteria involved, does anyone know the scientific names of the bacteria you want to build in a tank?
This is all a fairly well studied thing: The ideal pH for fastest growth in fishless cycles is 8.0 to 8.4 and the temp I like to recommend is 84F/29C. WDright, can't find anything on Nitrospira but Nitrosomonas apparently likes a ph between 6 and 9 (so most aqauriums should be pretty safe there) and a temp between 20 to 30°C (68F-86F) So I guess going up to the 90s will start to slow it down.
I'll see if i can find info on the other one. Might narrow the optimum temp range a little more
EDIT:
nitrospira has a wider temp range, going down as far as 15 C. and up to 30. So the range can be kept where it is. But it prefers a higher Ph. But I guess you're kinda stuck with the Ph,or at least it's not worth worrying about. (it likes 8 - 8.3, which isn't really very nice for most fish)