Why Serpae Tetras are so angry...

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Interesting to hear a biologist say that the Serpae Tetra actually shows more color and prefers subtropical temps of 68f. In fact they are found in waters that can drop to 55f and live fine. He also said at lower temps- even in aquaria- Serpaes are not fin biters compared to those in warm aquarium waters that can become terrific fin biters and won't stop until they have killed the other fish.
At 55f You could keep them outdoors in California. I have serious doubts they could take 4 months of below 60f temps. But for those adventurous...
 
I had two serpae tetras in the days when I knew nothing about fish. The one starved the other and was generally aggressive towards the other fish

He was sure hardy though
 
Keep them coolish and give them lots of plants for cover, they are related to Piranhas, like all tetras are. So they sometimes get carried away.
 
Temperature has much more of an effect on fish than many realize; it directly drives the fish's metabolism for one thing, so the observation here (post #1) is pertinent. I would however like to know which watercourses in the natural geographical area of this species get down to 55F (12-13 C).

The info below from a profile of the species I wrote elsewhere some time back may provide some further insight into the uniqueness of this species, and its behaviours.

This species is closely related to some 30 Hyphessobrycon species [Weitzman & Palmer (1997) referred to this species group as the rosy tetra clade] that includes H. bentosi, H. rosaceus, H. megalopterus [Black Phantom], H. sweglesi and H. erythrostigma ["bleeding hearts"] to name but a few. It shares the common traits of a black dorsal fin and a dark (in this species black) humeral or shoulder blotch immediately posterior of the gillcover, and (usually) a red body colouration. The shade of red on the subject species varies on fish from different geographical regions. The dorsal is edged in white. This species is readily discerned from all the other rosy tetra species by the dark colour pattern on the posterior part of the anal fin that expands from the black distal (furtherest from the body) border of this fin. Weitzman & Palmer (1997) note that this dark pattern is somewhat variable on wild-caught specimens from different locations [see below].

Behaviour can be unpredictable; keeping the species in large groups and in larger tanks tends to lessen its aggressiveness. This variant behaviour, like the anal fin pattern mentioned above, may also partly be due to significant variations between the fish. The species has a large geographical distribution including areas of the Amazon, Parana, Guapore and Paraguay River basins. Dr. Stanley Weitzman (1997) has suggested that the "species" may be a complex of closely related species that are geographically quite variable over this wide area of Amazonia; it is quite possible that this "species" may actually be several different species, each endemic to specific river basins, but this will only be ascertained after collections from many locations have been studied in detail.

Most of the fish now available in the hobby are commercially raised and differ from wild-caught fish with respect to the dark shoulder or humeral patch. Commercially bred fish are descended from hybrids (perhaps unintentionally) of fish from different geographical areas, and the patch is shorter or all but absent on most; on wild-caught fish, this patch is black, elongate and slightly triangular. This decades-long inbreeding may also partly explain the fish's aggressive nature.

Primary references for above:

Weitzman, Stanley H. & Lisa Palmer (1997), "A new species of Hyphessobrycon (Teleostei: Characidae) from the Neblina region of Venezuela and Brazil, with comments on the putative 'rosy tetra clade'," Ichthyological Exploration of Freshwaters, volume 7 (no. 3), pp. 209-242.

Weitzman, Stanley H. & Lisa Palmer (1997), "The Common Serpa Tetra of Aquarists Identified as Hyphessobrycon eques (Steinhachner, 1882)," Tropical Fish Hobbyist (1997), pp. 140-150.
 
Here's more details on the fish and water temperature..


I have to head out for a chemo treatment now, but I certainly will give this a watch when I am back. I do see it is one of Oliver Lucanus' videos, and he does know his stuff. We have exchanged emails on this and that.
 
Or it could simply be that they go into a reduced metabolic state in cooler temps. My goldfish do it every winter.
 
I had two female kribs that were scrapping until I dropped the temp by a degree, and now they get on fine
 
The key for behaviour change is in the part where the fish's colors are best..it makes sense that warm stressed fish would be paler. We tan in warm,they get pale!
 
Fish and all animals have their temperature preferences. People are fine when it's 26-28C, but when it's really hot (40C), our temperatures rise and we become stressed and are more likely to snap at someone. The same thing happens in tanks when fish are stressed. The stress could be from a small tank, lack of tank mates, incompatible tank mates, incorrect water chemistry or temperature.
 
To the video. As mentioned earlier, I know Oliver and have corresponded with him. We are on opposite ends (almost) of Canada so meeting in person is not easy and hasn't yet occurred [he travelled to Vancouver some years ago to speak at a meeting I could not sadly attend due to a round of cancer treatments, agh!]. I recommend this video heartily as reliable information/data on these fish and their habitats. There are some inferences we can draw however, and they are important for a correct understanding.

First, notice the environmental factors present in all the habitats of this fish shown. 1. Always a shoal (group) of dozens if not hundreds, and tight together (except the one shot where the two were "hiding" for good reason). That is condition #1 for peace with this species, and it is where most aquarists (beginning anyway) fail with this fish...too many in too small a space and the fish rebels. [Scientific studies have led us to the conclusion that a species like the present one should have 12-15 minimum, and in their own 30-gallon (30-inch/75cm length) tank; other species, except probably for substrate fish, requires larger tanks than this minimum. 2. Always shoals of other, generally larger, fish nearby--this too has quite an influence on fish behaviour, as studies have proven. This we can only replicate in very large tanks of course, but in the habitat it is a signifant factor for the fish. 3. And, the water movement--this video is not indicative of how these fish usually spend about half their year, in flooded forest when they spawn and being in calmer water are not only further away from the "predators" but more relaxed to pursue natural tendencies; and they are more concerned with feeding and spawning in the richness of the flooded forest rather than just surviving. And most of us provide water movement closer to this that a torrent, for good reason...but it does impact fish response in several ways including behaviour.

Second, temperature. Darker colouration in fish can mean stress from cooler temperatures, biological fact. I'm not saying it is the issue here, just note it as a fact. Paler colour often comes from higher than "optimal" temp, as others (@Colin_T) noted. The low temp (below high 60'sF/20C) of southern watercourse in SA is correct, obviously, but one has to consider just what fish species live there. And, I previously detailed the considerably large geographic area this "species" inhabits, and Oliver referenced that in the video. There is also the confused phylogenic history of this "species," which again Oliver referenced. Evolution has been active here, and that must be understood as the backdrop to what we find today.

I can draw a sort of parallel with another very commonly-seen species, the Pristella Tetra (Pristella maxillaris). This latter fish also occurs over a wide geographic area [areas of the basins of the Amazon and Orinoco systems, and coastal river drainages of the Guianas; and in some very diverse water parameters--it has a range of soft to slightly hard (hardness up to 30/35 dGH), acidic to basic (pH up to 8.0) water, temperature 24-28C/74-82F. But the fish that live in each of these diverse habitats have evolved over thousands of years to do so; they do not migrate from one to another as they are geographically prevented from doing this. You cannot take a wild fish from "x" and place it in "y" with good results. This is no less true for H. eques or whatever species "they" may end up being, and I trust we all recognize that this is important; nothing out of context in biology as in research.
 
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