What type of Licorice gourami are these?

[Elisabeth83]

I bought these guys the other day they are a type of licorice gourami but I'm not sure which one. I am thinking Parosphromenus nagyi?? They actually didnt have the type or price listed on the tank so they sold them to me for the same price as a pygmy gourami which was $3.17

In this picture you can't really see the males colors but his fins are lined in blue and black. I'm thinking they could be Parosphromenus nagyi. If they are Parosphromenus nagyi there sure isn't a lot of information on the net that I can find.

Anyone know of a site that lists all of the Parosphromenus species?? Here is a picture of mine. Male and female.

here are 2 of the handful of pictures I could find on the net of the Nagyis

 

[Elisabeth83]

Heres 1 more picture of mine. This is an awful picture but it lets you see the pattern on the males tail fin.

 

[sylvia]

Some licorice species that I know of are:
p. deisssneri
p. anjunganensis
p. ornaticauda
p. allani
p. parvulus
p. harveyi
p. nagyi
p. paludicola
p. linkei
p. filamentosus

Your identification is probably correct as you have the benefit of being able to see the fish in person. I personaly cannot say for certain without a clear close-up side pic - prefferably of both sexes. I still think you are correct.

However, I'm curious as to why you don't think they are p. deissneri (possibly that tail...). They are the more common licorice gourami and a fish you are much more likely to come across at your LFS than p. nagyi. They unfortunately both look extremely alike so. If you aren't sure, I'd be more inclined to go with deissneri (simply because the chance of coming across them is greater).
Here's a pic: http/www.azgardens.com/images/Gourami-Licorice.gif

 

[fishman 1]

I would say looking at the coloured up male in the pic that you have Parosphromenus deissneri.

They definately are not nagyi. Look in the Baensch picture atlas pages 587-588 and you will see the difference.

 

[fishman 1]

The one will no colour in its tail i would expect to be the female.

 

[Elisabeth83]

Hi Sylvia

The place I got them from isn't your typical LFS..this place really only has more unique rarer fish compared to the fish stores around here. The dumb thing is he actually showed me in the book which one he believed it was and me being so exicted didn't even bother to write the name down!! I even brought a pen and paper with me so I could write the names of things down

I don't think they are p. deisssneri because their fin shapes are different. The place I got them from I actually saw 2 different types of licorice gouramis. The ones I chose had a lot more color whereas the other kind was a bit more brown and plain looking.

I'll try tomorrow to get better shots. It's hard though because they are so small and the tank is heavily planted.

I'll google the other licorice gouramis you wrote down

 

[Elisabeth83]

The one will no colour in its tail i would expect to be the female.

yeah I definately picked out a male and a female. The female has just about no color at all..sometimes you can see a little blue if she hits the light just right.

Well I'll go look up p. deissneri more then and see maybe if that is what I've got.

edit: Another reason why I don't think it's p. deissneri is because I can only see black and blue on my male. Theres no red at all like I see in most of the pics of p. deissneri on the web. When the guy at the shop was showing me which one it was in the book he pointed to one of them with only black and blue coloring. Hmm although sylvia in the link of the p. deissneri I cant see any red on that one...

 

[Elisabeth83]

They definately are not nagyi. Look in the Baensch picture atlas pages 587-588 and you will see the difference.

Is this picture atlas somewhere on the web?

edit: heres a pic I just found of p. deissneri. I definintely dont have this one as my guy has no red on him at all.

edit: heres a pic I just found of

 

[Elisabeth83]

I'm thinking it's either the Nagyi or Harveyi...funny thing is Sylvia the pic you linked as p. deissneri is named p. harveyi on another site..and the pictures are exactly the same.

Here's the picture of p. harveyi I found on another site

and heres another shot of the Nagyi

 

[fishman 1]

Harveyi seem to have no red pigment in the book i got.

I'm thinking it's either the Nagyi or Harveyi...funny thing is Sylvia the pic you linked as p. deissneri is named p. harveyi on another site..and the pictures are exactly the same.

It doesnt help the situation does it when you get that. The same picture but 2 names

 

[fishman 1]

if you look at the 3rd picture in the first post you can see some red pigment in the fishes fins and body?
Strange and yet.... confusing at the same time.

 

[Elisabeth83]

Harveyi seem to have no red pigment in the book i got.

I'm thinking it's either the Nagyi or Harveyi...funny thing is Sylvia the pic you linked as p. deissneri is named p. harveyi on another site..and the pictures are exactly the same.

It doesnt help the situation does it when you get that. The same picture but 2 names

I'm thinking it's p. harveyi? every picture I've found on-line they are blue and black. fishman 1 if your book shows them without red then the site that listed the one as p. deissneri must be confused

I wanted to buy the labryinth fish book today but it was about 40 US dollars. It was a great book had all the labryinth fish listed with pictures. The Atlas your talking about fishman 1 was very expensive ...around 200 something US dollars

 

[Elisabeth83]

if you look at the 3rd picture in the first post you can see some red pigment in the fishes fins and body?
Strange and yet.... confusing at the same time.

They are all really similar..just a few things differentiate between them I never realized how many different types of licorice gouramis there were. I thought there was just one but in the book I was looking in today there were about 2 pages filled with all different ones. Of course there are some that look totally different..some have really bright red fins but there are like 5-10 that all look pretty close to one another.

 

[sylvia]

Sorry I must have posted the wrong pic. I got it off google so I'm not sure what site it's from though but the one I linked to is indeed harveyi but harveyi has a lot more blue than yours appears to have in that picture. Anyway, like I said before, I think your original identification is correct. I only mentioned deissneri because that's the most common. You are very lucky to have an LFS that sells the rarer types. It takes me forever to get hold of rarer species and I have to get my LFS to order stuff in. I didn't compliment you on your purchase before BTW so congrats on the new fish. Do you plan to breed them?

 

[Elisabeth83]

Sorry I must have posted the wrong pic. I got it off google so I'm not sure what site it's from though but the one I linked to is indeed harveyi but harveyi has a lot more blue than yours appears to have in that picture. Anyway, like I said before, I think your original identification is correct. I only mentioned deissneri because that's the most common. You are very lucky to have an LFS that sells the rarer types. It takes me forever to get hold of rarer species and I have to get my LFS to order stuff in. I didn't compliment you on your purchase before BTW so congrats on the new fish. Do you plan to breed them?

I'll try and get more pictures of them tomorrow. They did have more blue when they were at the shop but they are still settling in here so their colors arn't as bright. Also they are so tiny it's hard to get good close ups of them without the shots being blurry.

The place that sells the more rare species of fish is http/www.akvarielagret.se/ they are the biggest fish store in all of Sweden. I'm lucky to live so nearby. They have got some amazing fish..some really nice displays of fish too just for the shop. I keep meaning to take my camera in and I even asked once if it would be ok if I took pictures and they said sure but everytime I plan a trip there I seem to forget my camera They have a few giant gouramis that are just absolutely huge!! Arn't really a good looking fish IMO though

Thanks Sylvia..well I'm not really planning on breeding them but if they do breed it sure would be cool