What Plants Possible With Low Tech

[ian]

right guys, please don't make me shut this thread as these threads can become little jewels. Please just stick to advise and please if we are going to get a debate going (which often happens in the planted section) can we both refrain from getting personal.

Thanks guys and girls.

 

[Caprichoso]

???.... im a little confused now lol... have you actually read what ive written?

Presumptuous? Not at all. But I should have clarified my statement, "You do not need ferts". I mean that in a manner of speaking, a "person" with low-tech doesn't need them(so maybe that makes you ok with my statement?) Ferts are not needed.

By adding a little to your first comment doesn't make it any more correct lol.... Not all lowtech (as you call it) dont need ferts lol.... as ive mentioned, there are hundreds of people that also have failed in this method lol... so presuming just because yours works..everybody else's will also... is being Presumptuous.

I'm currently running a 60l with 15w over it (less than 1wpg), without ferts my plants fail, now how do you explain this?... it would be considered lowtech by your understanding but also by your understanding the plants should be thriving without ferts, they dont. Soooo.... how is your method correct and your comment about not needing ferts be justified?

And yes, of coarse I can share my own personal experience, that is the point of the forum.

Yes but your not just sharing your experience are you, your comments are speaking for experiences of everybody... otherwise you wouldn't have made such a broad/bold statement about all low tech tanks not needing ferts.

And no, we can't say for sure that ANYTHING will work on anyone's tank(ferts may not work either)

So in just one post you have gone from saying for definite ferts aren't needed to the above comment?.... 'I' didn't say ferts were definitely needed, i merely stated that it would depend on lighting, stock levels etc etc.. go back and check if you like lol.... however, algae is not contributed to ferts alone, it's contributed to an unbalanced tank so adding ferts would never really do any harm anyways, whatever isnt consumed would just stay within the water column till water change.

But you seem pretty sure that he does need ferts though

Again... NO I DIDNT.... please read previous comments before making more assumptions

By any chance, do you work for a fertiliser company ? Hey, did I mention that ferts are not needed in a low-tech set up? Sorry for my sarcasm

LOL... yeh i work for a fert company, that's why i haven't mentioned any brand whatsoever .... if you look at MY threads, you would also see i make my own ferts (Jake's brand pmsl)..... so your sarcasm will have to be something that is relevant to actually be offensive lol... sorry!!!

the word magical was my thinking, wow, how are my plants growing then, wasn't trying to make you feel bad about yourself buddy.

LOL.. you really are funny and so up your own #14### it's actually quite sad you have such an attitude about something you clearly know very little about ..... if you read my posts CORRECTLY.... i haven't once stated that ferts were definitely needed (are you so wrapped up in your own sad little world that you cant actually read what comments actually mean instead you interpret it to something that suits you?).... it gets a bit boring to have to repeat a comment i initially made.... IT WOULD DEPEND ON LIGHTING AND STOCKING LEVELS ETC ETC ETC ETC.

BTW... i dont feel bad about anything... no sorry, i feel a little bad for you having such an attitude


So before you comment further, just think about what my previous statements say and reply accordingly... rather than actually interpreting it in you own words and then throwing wrong accusations and info back .

No need to increase your blood pressure, this is just my opinion based on results. No need to take it so personally. I don't think the use of ferts in a low-light set up is needed. I didn't say it wouldn't work but merely that it's not necessary. I don't know why it hasn't worked for you, I guess you're one of the 5 in your 1 out of 5 ratio(not sure where you got that ratio from?) Getting all riled up and hurling insults isn't going to make you any more right friend. Relax...

...and what's wrong with my attitude? You're the one swearing and freaking out on the forum eh.

Oops, I didn't mean to quote the whole mess, sorry guys.

 

[JenCliBee]

No need to increase your blood pressure, this is just my opinion based on results. No need to take it so personally. I don't think the use of ferts in a low-light set up is needed. I didn't say it wouldn't work but merely that it's not necessary. I don't know why it hasn't worked for you, I guess you're one of the 5 in your 1 out of 5 ratio(not sure where you got that ratio from?) Getting all riled up and hurling insults isn't going to make you any more right friend. Relax...

...and what's wrong with my attitude? You're the one swearing and freaking out on the forum eh.

Oops, I didn't mean to quote the whole mess, sorry guys.

LOL... i will re-write what i wrote above ..... "you are funny" and certainly good to have a laugh at .

But...... it does amaze me how much you have backtracked now from your original comment, amazing what happens when somebody finally realises they are wrong, huh?.


Apologies Ian for my previous message, it's annoying when somebody tries to help others with inadequate answers that are ONLY based on there own experiences

 

[Caprichoso]

I'm not backtracking, I still stand by what I said. I don't think I'm wrong, I just thought I'd explain myself in more detail since you were having trouble with what I said.

 

[JenCliBee]

I'm not backtracking, I still stand by what I said. I don't think I'm wrong, I just thought I'd explain myself in more detail since you were having trouble with what I said.

Ok lol

 

[SO19Firearms]

You do not "need" ferts at all. I have had low tech for years and have never used ferts.

Just to jump in before the lock - I think this statement needs clearing up a bit. It's safe to say that you don't "need" ferts, but that isn't to say the OP doesn't. It's also safe to assume that the plants got their food from somewhere - I'd guess fish load (and possibly tap water) for the nitrate, fish food (+tap) for the phosphate and the tap water for calcium, magnesium, potassium and trace elements
I know I couldn't personally grow plants without ferts here because we have no calcium or magnesium or much of anything else...

On the other hand you can tell me you use RO water and I'll take everything back - I'm stumped.

 

[Caprichoso]

You do not "need" ferts at all. I have had low tech for years and have never used ferts.

Just to jump in before the lock - I think this statement needs clearing up a bit. It's safe to say that you don't "need" ferts, but that isn't to say the OP doesn't. It's also safe to assume that the plants got their food from somewhere - I'd guess fish load (and possibly tap water) for the nitrate, fish food (+tap) for the phosphate and the tap water for calcium, magnesium, potassium and trace elements
I know I couldn't personally grow plants without ferts here because we have no calcium or magnesium or much of anything else...

On the other hand you can tell me you use RO water and I'll take everything back - I'm stumped.

It was a general statement, like I have already explained in a previous post. Much like telling someone they don't need carbon filters. Yeah I guess there are always going to be the people that swear they need them, but IME and coming from generations of fish keepers that don't use ferts, I think it's pretty safe to say.

I don't use RO water. I use water straight from the tap, always have, no ferts. I've had tanks with different bulbs but generally, they have all been low tech(low lighting).

I suggested a list of plants for the person should they want to have easy, low maintenance plants. This was in suggestion to the fact that the person didn't want anything fancy as far as lighting and wondered if it would be possible. Yes, it's possible. Y'know, if I'd only had one tank in my entire life or was a newbie, I would gladly admit that I don't have much experience. However, this is not the case.

Anyway, I thought this forum was supposed to be about fish keepers sharing their knowledge based on their own personal experiences? My experience says that the use of ferts is not a necessity in a low lighting or low tech,( what ever you want to call it) aquarium.

So maybe my statement should have been: No, you don't need ferts in a low tech set up unless you are using dead water, have no fish in your tank, or you are thinking you have low light when you really don't.

Krikey, is there any one else with an issue?