What Do You Think?

[DiscusKeeper403]

Im going to try to create a filter that runs on no electricity using two siphons (the same size and type) one bucket and one peice of screen. Now one siphon will be draining into the bucket and the other will be draining into the the tank. the one draining into the bucket will be placed underneath the screen so any peices of debree will be stuck at the bottom and the one draining into the tank will be ontop so it is clear water. What do you think?

 

[raptorrex]

Im going to try to create a filter that runs on no electricity using two siphons (the same size and type) one bucket and one peice of screen. Now one siphon will be draining into the bucket and the other will be draining into the the tank. the one draining into the bucket will be placed underneath the screen so any peices of debree will be stuck at the bottom and the one draining into the tank will be ontop so it is clear water. What do you think?

so how wiil you get the water back into the tank? syphoning only works if the receptical is lower than the sauce. so you well need a pump to take the water from under th tank to the bucket above the tank!!! think about it!! cant see it working but if you have any ideas how please post it or ar you going to empty th one under th tank into the one ontop by hand. which will mean 24-7 someone will need to attend the tank. even my old internal had a 600ltr capacity.

 

[DiscusKeeper403]

so how wiil you get the water back into the tank?

One sihpon will be draining into the bucket while the other is draining into the tank they will both be sucking and draining into the same tank. As long as the majority of the tubing from the sihpon is above water level then it will drain. I will place the buckets water level at the same level as the tank, this way both siphons can suck and drain at the same time without me being there 24/7. And you can siphon if both bucket and tank are at the same level it just takes more to get the flow going.

 

[andywg]

If there is no height difference then there will be no actual syphon effect. The whole basis on which a syphon works is the water trying to balance out and achieve equilibirum. If both water levels are teh same then the water will just sit stagnant.

I know this because two of my systems involve tanks that are connected (though by drilled holes rather than a more unreliable syphon) and as such the water finds a happy level that is the same on both tanks. It is only once I have pumps on does any actual movement between the tanks occur.

No pumps=no water movement

 

[xoedusk]

Im going to try to create a filter that runs on no electricity using two siphons (the same size and type) one bucket and one peice of screen. Now one siphon will be draining into the bucket and the other will be draining into the the tank. the one draining into the bucket will be placed underneath the screen so any peices of debree will be stuck at the bottom and the one draining into the tank will be ontop so it is clear water. What do you think?

Give it a try and tell us if it works. Just put or hold a bucket at the same (top) level of the water and run two siphons like you said, one mostly above and the other mostly below. That would be SWEET if it worked, but my understanding of thermodynamics says it won't: can't see how raising the siphon tubing above the water line would cause water to flow in one direction, where as lowering the tubing below would cause it to flow in the other direction.

However, if you succeed, you will have been the first to create a perpetual motion matchine. But in all seriousness, give it a try before you build the real filter.

 

[xJake]

It's not possible. A syphon will only go one way. There is no way to syphon water back up to the tank without a motor of some kind. Water only flows downward and unless you can control gravity there is no way to make a motorless filter.

 

[DiscusKeeper403]

if i have time ill give it a shot. it came to me last night before i went to bed but i didnt really think of all this scientific stuff the perputual motion (a matchine has already been created btw) and gravity and force and stuff.

 

[Tsi_User]

if i have time ill give it a shot. it came to me last night before i went to bed but i didnt really think of all this scientific stuff the perputual motion (a matchine has already been created btw) and gravity and force and stuff.

Just to add my .02 here

If you have a tank directly next to a bucket, and that bucket contains water levels that are both below AND above the water levels of the tank it is concievable. For instance:

the water from the tank will have a tube from the tank going to the BOTTOM of the bucket which would be lower that the lowest water level in the tank. The water will then flow to the bucket. Then you have another line taking water from the TOP of the bucket's water level which would be higher than the highest level of the tank. The water would then flow to the tank.

At least I think..... Tell us what happens!

 

[johnnyjtaylor]

It cant work. If you can make water move around a system without a pump(not adding any energy) all by itself and back to where it started , where it could do it all over again , then you should make a really big one pop an electricity generating water turbine in it somewhere and in a single stroke you will have solved all the worlds energy problems, cured global warming and be very rich!!!!
Seriously it cant work, syphoning works by gravity acting on the water,the water with the highest surface level will run through the syphon until the two bodies of water are level(at their surfaces) and then it stops. It dosent matter what level the pipes are at under the water the syphon will just run until the water is level or the pipe sucks in air.

Just in case it does work though remember it was me who suggested using it to generate electricity and bung us a few £££$$$$.

cheers johnny