Understanding Api Tests

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PH, ammonia, nitrites,nitrates. That's fine I understand these but KH and GH I'm bamboozled.
 
Both my tests took 3 drops to change colour. The KH turned yellow, but not bright yellow, and ditto GH from orange to green. Should I keep adding drops until bright yellow and bright green are achieved? If not what does it mean that I used 3 drops for each. I don't understand the chart.
 
I'm setting up a new tank and I expect the parameters to change when I add hardscape so I need to know my starting parameters.
 
I asked this question a while back and I was told that the actual brightness of the colour change doesn't matter - it's the point at which it changes colour so if you see a colour change after 3 drops you'll need to check the chart in the box as to what that means. From memory I suspect it means you have a low gH and kH like I have. My test changed after 1 drop and that means my kH and gH are virtually zero
 
I've just done a strip test which gives my KH as 720 ppm or 40 *dh and my GH as zero.

Akasha72 said:
I asked this question a while back and I was told that the actual brightness of the colour change doesn't matter - it's the point at which it changes colour so if you see a colour change after 3 drops you'll need to check the chart in the box as to what that means. From memory I suspect it means you have a low gH and kH like I have. My test changed after 1 drop and that means my kH and gH are virtually zero
I don't understand what the middle column on the chart is.
 
If I should stop adding drops at a slight colour change then 1 or 2 drops at most would be my result.
 
If my KH and GH are virtually zero does that mean I have very soft alkaline water?
 
Munroco said:
 
 
If my KH and GH are virtually zero does that mean I have very soft alkaline water?
 
 
Yes 
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 does that go along with what you thought? Most people have a rough idea of what their water type is going by limescale deposits
 
I expected soft, I assumed it would be acidic though.
 
I'm going to be doing a journal on this new tank so you'll see why I needed to know the GH and KH, I don't mean to be cryptic its just I don't know what the final goal will be till I do new tests.
 
at least with soft water you've got a large choice for stocking .... better than hard water :)
 
I expect the API test kit you have is the same as the one we have in NA.  So to answer your question on the chart, the first column is obviously the number of drops it took to change colour, the second is the dGH or dKH this represents (you will see that every drop equates to 1 degree) and the third column is the equivalent ppm (parts per million).  Just so you know, to convert you use 17.9, and multiplying degrees by 17.9 will give you the equivalent ppm, and dividing ppm by 17.9 gives you degrees.  These two units of measurement are the most common in the hobby, some sources use degrees, some ppm, but it is easy to convert and you can use whichever you prefer.  I like degrees as the numbers are smaller and for me easier to remember.  If my tank tests at 4 dGH, I have a better grasp of what this means than if I saw 71 ppm.
 
I think there may be a misunderstanding of "Alkalinity" here, so I will explain.  Hardness for our purposes is concerned with three things, the dissolved mineral content (the GH), the carbonate or bicarbonate hardness (KH, now often seen as Alkalinity) and the TDS (total dissolved solids).  We can forget the latter for our purposes in this thread or it will really get confusing.  The GH kit is testing GH or the mineral content, and the KH kit is testing carbonate hardness or Alkalinity.  
 
There is also pH, and this may be where things are getting confused.  The pH can be said to be acidic (pH below 7.0), neutral (7.0) or basic (above 7.0) and this basic used to be termed alkaline.  This is not the same as Alkalinity or KH.  Keep them separate.
 
Generally, soft water will have a lower KH and thus the pH tends to lower naturally due to organics.  So over time, an acidic pH will normally be present with a low GH/KH.  The harder the GH the more likely the pH will be more basic than acidic, though not always.  The KH or Alkalinity acts to buffer the pH, preventing it from fluctuating or changing, so the higher the KH the less chance the pH will shift from where it is to begin with in the source water.  However, these are generalities, and there can be different situations.  Again I will leave this as it will only bog us down.
 
So to your readings.  A GH and KH of 3 degrees, equating to roughly 50 ppm, is soft, almost very soft.  I don't know what the pH of your water is, but in an aquarium with fish it will tend to lower as the breakdown of organics creates carbonic acid.  This is normal, nothing to worry about.  But if you see the pH in the aquarium lower than the tap water, this is almost certainly the reason.
 
The change of colour in the API test can be a bit difficult.  I had a kit that was very hard to discern; I bought a new one and the colours are quite vibrant by comparison.  Hold the open tube over a piece of white paper and look down through the water in the tube; this is usually the best way to see the colour.  And the drop which changes it first even if light, is the result.  If you are on municipal water and the authority has a website, you may find their numbers for general (total) hardness, Alkalinity, and pH.  This would confirm your test results, though pH can change so don't be worried.  The GH and KH should be the same or very close out of the tap.  In the aquarium these can change, though not by much unless you are targeting them with calcareous substances or something.
 
Byron.
 
Excellent TY Byron I actually understood most of that. If I was going an a slight colour change, I'd say my GH and KH were 1. My PH was 6.8/7 and my ammonia, nitrates and nitrites were zero
 
a tip for future reference ... keep an eye on the pH in the tank as it matures. Your water is the same as mine and I'm fighting with pH crashes at the moment. My tap pH is about 7.4 - 7.6 but my gH and kH are zero so my tank pH was about 6.5 but it recently fell to 4 and I'm still struggling to maintain a pH above 5 despite having ocean rock in my filters and doing slightly larger weekly water changes
 
There is no fixed relationship between KH and PH.  KH is a measure of carbonate ions in the water CO3.  It is a measure of resistant to a PH change. take two two glasses with water one with no carbonate and one with a lot of carbonate .  Than add a equal amount of acid to each.  The glass with low KH will have a large PH change while the High KH glass will have a small PH change.  PH in comparison is a measure of the Hydrogen ion in the water.  So the KH test and PH tests are measuring seperate things.  So you could have two glasses of water with the same KH but different PH.  Generally low KH water is likely to be acidic due to the gases deolved in it while  high KH water generally will have a higher ph.  
 
GH is mainly a measure of dissolved calcium, magnesium,  The dissolved calcium or magnesium may be in the form or carbonate, nitrates, sulfates, oxides, or chlorides.  All of these will affect PH and KH differently.
 
 
My tap pH is about 7.4 - 7.6 but my gH and kH are zero so my tank pH was about 6.5 but it recently fell to 4 and I'm still struggling to maintain a pH above 5 despite having ocean rock in my filters and doing slightly larger weekly water changes
 
Take those ocean rocks out and expose them to an acid.  If they DON'T fiz they are not dissolving in your aquarium. If they don't dissolve in the water they will have NO effect on PH.  Replace the Ocean rock (whatever that is) with sea or fresh water  shells, or crushed Coral.  That will return your PH of about 6.5  to about 7 in probably less than 24 hours.
 

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