Tiger lotus question (need answers before I buy)

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So I'll be getting about 3 tiger lotus I believe and I'm gonna get them in those 2 inch wide aquarium pots cause I heard they will take over other plant's root systems...
Will they actually do this and harm other plants? I thought they actually would be ok but from other things I've been reading they can take over an aquarium...
@AquaBarb, I know you've had experience with this plant... How do you keep it controlled? Does it harm your other plants?
 
Don't know where you heard they take over other plant's roots. Tiger lotus and other lilies & lotus have a decent sized root system and need space to grow. If you are concerned about them, grow them in a 1 or 2 litre plastic icecream container. But they don't harm other plants.
 
I read they are very nutrient hungry and can starve other plants close to them. The pots seem like a good idea to me, contain them and feed them individually with tabs 👍🏻 apparently they prefer still water? Maybe that's why mine didn't do well but then I don't think I feed them as much as I should have either
 
Don't know where you heard they take over other plant's roots. Tiger lotus and other lilies & lotus have a decent sized root system and need space to grow. If you are concerned about them, grow them in a 1 or 2 litre plastic icecream container. But they don't harm other plants.
I read they are very nutrient hungry and can starve other plants close to them. The pots seem like a good idea to me, contain them and feed them individually with tabs 👍🏻 apparently they prefer still water? Maybe that's why mine didn't do well but then I don't think I feed them as much as I should have either
Ahhh, conflicting answers...
Maybe I will just buy them in those 2x3 pots and line the pot with some window screening we have in the garage. That should do it...
 
Ahhh, conflicting answers...
Maybe I will just buy them in those 2x3 pots and line the pot with some window screening we have in the garage. That should do it...
Or should I just get the bulbs and plant them in the substrate? I mean... That would be cheaper...
Any thoughts @Byron? (I'm really sorry... I know I've been pinging you a lot, but you're very knowledgeable and give precise answers... I feel bad when I have to lol)
 
So I'll be getting about 3 tiger lotus I believe and I'm gonna get them in those 2 inch wide aquarium pots cause I heard they will take over other plant's root systems...
Will they actually do this and harm other plants? I thought they actually would be ok but from other things I've been reading they can take over an aquarium...
@AquaBarb, I know you've had experience with this plant... How do you keep it controlled? Does it harm your other plants?
Ive had both red and green tiger lotus in my 180 and neither harmed my other plants.
The green lotus i let be to send Its stems up to the surface which create lovely lilly pads what proved nice cover for your fish.

The red lotus i wanted to keep lower down so i trimmed the stems to try and bush it out but i found this stunted its growth and it just slowly died off.
 
So I'll be getting about 3 tiger lotus I believe and I'm gonna get them in those 2 inch wide aquarium pots cause I heard they will take over other plant's root systems...
Will they actually do this and harm other plants? I thought they actually would be ok but from other things I've been reading they can take over an aquarium...

Many plants can sort of "take over" an aquarium if the conditions are to its liking. Swords are good at this, they have enormous root systems. I had several in my 5-foot long Amazon Riverscape and when I tore the tank down to move the roots of some of them extended for 2-3 feet in all directions and they were thick. My Tiger Lotus never did that. These have a tuber, plant it in the substrate not in any pots. And a Flourish Tab will do wonders for the lotus plants.

Plant allelopathy involves chemicals some plants release to weaken other plant species, but this has nothing to do with the root systems here.
 
They're fine. They might out-compete nearby plants for nutrients, but that's always happening anyway in an aquarium. Get them. :)
Ive had both red and green tiger lotus in my 180 and neither harmed my other plants.
The green lotus i let be to send Its stems up to the surface which create lovely lilly pads what proved nice cover for your fish.

The red lotus i wanted to keep lower down so i trimmed the stems to try and bush it out but i found this stunted its growth and it just slowly died off.
Many plants can sort of "take over" an aquarium if the conditions are to its liking. Swords are good at this, they have enormous root systems. I had several in my 5-foot long Amazon Riverscape and when I tore the tank down to move the roots of some of them extended for 2-3 feet in all directions and they were thick. My Tiger Lotus never did that. These have a tuber, plant it in the substrate not in any pots. And a Flourish Tab will do wonders for the lotus plants.

Plant allelopathy involves chemicals some plants release to weaken other plant species, but this has nothing to do with the root systems here.
AWESOME! I'll definitely be getting them then!
Thank you all for easing my worries on the matter! All very nice information. Thank you.
 
My profile of this plant may be useful.

Nymphaea lotus

Family: Nymphaeaceae

Common Name: Tiger Lotus, Red Tiger Lotus, Green Tiger Lotus

Origin and Habitat: Tropical regions of Africa and Madagascar [see additional comments under Description]. The red and green cultivars are natural; the red cultivar is found in shallow, standing water such as temporary pools and small permanent lakes. The green cultivar has been found in flowing waters.

Ideal position in aquarium: The roots must be in the substrate, and leaves will form submersed and floating. Floating leaves can eventually be suppressed by continually removing the larger leaves. Flowers, which are very rare in aquaria, will only form after the plant has developed many floating leaves; flowers open only during the night.

Lighting requirements: Moderate to bright. The red variety requires slightly brighter light than the green cultivar.

Growth rate: Moderate

Minimum Tank Suggestion: 25 gallon. Best in tanks no less than 16-18 inches in depth.

Water parameters: Suitable for soft or hard water, it prefers soft, slightly acidic water. Optimum temperature 22-28C/71-82F.

Discussion

The tiger lotus has a green-leaf and a red-leaf form, known as the Green cultivar and Red cultivar respectively, and these are naturally occurring. Some sources give Nymphaea zenkeri as the name for the Green "species" but this is inaccurate.

Both the red and green cultivars have the same requirements in the aquarium, though the red will have brighter coloured leaves in stronger light.

This species grows well in a plain sand or fine gravel substrate. With an enriched substrate, the plant will produce more leaves and have stronger growth. Flowering may occur with good nutrition and brighter light, provided the floating leaves are allowed to form. These can easily cover the surface, shading the lower plants. The flowers only open at night (during darkness).

The Nymphaeaceae is a family of freshwater aquatic flowering plants commonly called "Water Lilies" and found in tropical and temperate regions throughout the world. There are eight genera with some 70 species; all are rooted in the substrate with leaves and flowers that float on the surface. The family was described by the British botanist Richard Anthony Salisbury (1761-1829). The name comes from the Greek for a "nymph" who was a goddess associated with waterfalls and springs. In spite of the common name, this family is not closely related to the true lilies, Liliaceae; the common name "lily" is applied to many variable plants.

The genus Nymphaea was established by Carl Linnaeus (1707-1758), the Swedish botanist, physician and zoologist whose monumental classification of all living organisms led directly to the binomial nomenclature system used today. There are about 50 species in the genus which is closely related to the Nuphar, another genus with aquarium species. Both are commonly referred to as "lotus" and in both the leaf is deeply notched at the base. The Nymphaea have a tuberous rhizome, though it is often absent in aquarium plants.

Nymphaea lotus was described in 1753 by Linnaeus. The species epithet is a Greek plant name. This species is widespread in tropical Africa and Madagascar, and was introduced to Europe. It is also now found wild in parts of North, Central and South America. Some sources also consider it native to SE Asia, but this is actually a distinct genus [Kasselmann, 2003]. This is a polymorphic species, meaning that there are external differences between some of the various geographical populations; further study may or may not determine distinct species.

References:

Kasselmann, Christel (2003), Aquarium Plants, English translation, Krieger Publishing company.
 
My profile of this plant may be useful.

Nymphaea lotus

Family:
Nymphaeaceae

Common Name: Tiger Lotus, Red Tiger Lotus, Green Tiger Lotus

Origin and Habitat: Tropical regions of Africa and Madagascar [see additional comments under Description]. The red and green cultivars are natural; the red cultivar is found in shallow, standing water such as temporary pools and small permanent lakes. The green cultivar has been found in flowing waters.

Ideal position in aquarium: The roots must be in the substrate, and leaves will form submersed and floating. Floating leaves can eventually be suppressed by continually removing the larger leaves. Flowers, which are very rare in aquaria, will only form after the plant has developed many floating leaves; flowers open only during the night.

Lighting requirements: Moderate to bright. The red variety requires slightly brighter light than the green cultivar.

Growth rate: Moderate

Minimum Tank Suggestion: 25 gallon. Best in tanks no less than 16-18 inches in depth.

Water parameters: Suitable for soft or hard water, it prefers soft, slightly acidic water. Optimum temperature 22-28C/71-82F.

Discussion

The tiger lotus has a green-leaf and a red-leaf form, known as the Green cultivar and Red cultivar respectively, and these are naturally occurring. Some sources give Nymphaea zenkeri as the name for the Green "species" but this is inaccurate.

Both the red and green cultivars have the same requirements in the aquarium, though the red will have brighter coloured leaves in stronger light.

This species grows well in a plain sand or fine gravel substrate. With an enriched substrate, the plant will produce more leaves and have stronger growth. Flowering may occur with good nutrition and brighter light, provided the floating leaves are allowed to form. These can easily cover the surface, shading the lower plants. The flowers only open at night (during darkness).

The Nymphaeaceae is a family of freshwater aquatic flowering plants commonly called "Water Lilies" and found in tropical and temperate regions throughout the world. There are eight genera with some 70 species; all are rooted in the substrate with leaves and flowers that float on the surface. The family was described by the British botanist Richard Anthony Salisbury (1761-1829). The name comes from the Greek for a "nymph" who was a goddess associated with waterfalls and springs. In spite of the common name, this family is not closely related to the true lilies, Liliaceae; the common name "lily" is applied to many variable plants.

The genus Nymphaea was established by Carl Linnaeus (1707-1758), the Swedish botanist, physician and zoologist whose monumental classification of all living organisms led directly to the binomial nomenclature system used today. There are about 50 species in the genus which is closely related to the Nuphar, another genus with aquarium species. Both are commonly referred to as "lotus" and in both the leaf is deeply notched at the base. The Nymphaea have a tuberous rhizome, though it is often absent in aquarium plants.

Nymphaea lotus was described in 1753 by Linnaeus. The species epithet is a Greek plant name. This species is widespread in tropical Africa and Madagascar, and was introduced to Europe. It is also now found wild in parts of North, Central and South America. Some sources also consider it native to SE Asia, but this is actually a distinct genus [Kasselmann, 2003]. This is a polymorphic species, meaning that there are external differences between some of the various geographical populations; further study may or may not determine distinct species.

References:

Kasselmann, Christel (2003), Aquarium Plants, English translation, Krieger Publishing company.
Very useful read!!

I noticed it said "prefers acidic water"... My water has a ph of 8.1 but it's really soft... Will this be a problem?? I mean my fish don't seem to mind it at all... lol
 
Very useful read!!

I noticed it said "prefers acidic water"... My water has a ph of 8.1 but it's really soft... Will this be a problem?? I mean my fish don't seem to mind it at all... lol

I've never had basic water, but from what I have read from the botanists this shouldn't be an issue. The Flourish Tabs really do something with this plant. And don't worry about the light, if it is not intense the plant will send up more floating leaves which are closer to the light. The lower leaves may struggle in less intense light. I let my two plants do what they did, and the floating red burgundy leaves were very beautiful even without lower leaves.
 
I've never had basic water, but from what I have read from the botanists this shouldn't be an issue. The Flourish Tabs really do something with this plant. And don't worry about the light, if it is not intense the plant will send up more floating leaves which are closer to the light. The lower leaves may struggle in less intense light. I let my two plants do what they did, and the floating red burgundy leaves were very beautiful even without lower leaves.
I have a 24" light that will lay on top of the glass and I can adjust brightness on it... So I'll work out the lighting situation when I set the tank up lol.

Also when using the root tabs should I be placing tabs next to all the plants? Can I also place tabs in between plants if they're close enough so I can save on tabs?
Want to make sure I'm using them right... I'll have a sand depth of 3-4" so I will probably be placing them 2-3 inches deep (I'll try to measure it in my mind when placing them)...
 
Should I get the liquid Flourish fertilizer as well if I'll also be having salvinia and waters sprite floating?...
 
I have a 24" light that will lay on top of the glass and I can adjust brightness on it... So I'll work out the lighting situation when I set the tank up lol.

Also when using the root tabs should I be placing tabs next to all the plants? Can I also place tabs in between plants if they're close enough so I can save on tabs?
Want to make sure I'm using them right... I'll have a sand depth of 3-4" so I will probably be placing them 2-3 inches deep (I'll try to measure it in my mind when placing them)...

It is a delicate balancing act, providing suitable light for plants without blinding the poor fish. My tanks were always fish come first, and plants that managed were kept.

I would place the tubers of this plant apart from each other, remembering that they send up floating leaves and you do not want all of these in one spot. I had two tubers initially, one on the right side and one just left of centre. Each tuber should get a tab, replaced every 3-4 months.

Should I get the liquid Flourish fertilizer as well if I'll also be having salvinia and waters sprite floating?...

Yes, but only the Flourish Comprehensive Supplement. And regardless of what anyone says, do not add iron aside from what is in the FC and the FT. Twice I dosed iron in addition, and it was too much and the floating leaves on these plants began to rot. So did the floating Ceratopteris. Over a period of 14 months this happened twice, so I know it was the iron as nothing else changed. Iron rotted the leaves, stopping the iron and the new leaves were fine. Did the experiment twice.
 

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