Tank Rescape

Rorie

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So as well as my big never ending project with my 360L tank, i decided to plant my small 90L tank too! Here are the results. It took about an hour and a half to prep the plants, empty the tank of fish and sand, add fertiliser substrate, add gravel, add plants, add water and add the fish back in. Then took 2 days for the water to clear up (still not crystal clear!).
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I am thinking of changing my 4ft tank with the discus in.
Which do you think is better sand or gravel?
As i would like to set up a planted tank, at the moment i have just got gravel and as much as i try it gets quite dirty, probably mainly from the 2 big plecos.
Do you need fertilizer substrate underneath?
And how long would it take to set in the tank?
 
I am thinking of changing my 4ft tank with the discus in.
Which do you think is better sand or gravel?
As i would like to set up a planted tank, at the moment i have just got gravel and as much as i try it gets quite dirty, probably mainly from the 2 big plecos.
Do you need fertilizer substrate underneath?
And how long would it take to set in the tank?

Well, i had normal pea gravel stuff in at first, then changed to sand. It (the first photo). It made a huge improvement in the way of brightening things up etc. You cant have it too deep, it traps ammonia. When i clean, i take a a rake like thing through the sand first to release any trapped gasses, and then run the hoover over the top of the sand to pick up the rubbish. The dirt is easy to see, so its easy to clean....but its the ease of seeing it which put me off - it always looks messy!

Your other option though is to put in black sand! That would keep down the dirt issue.

You also need to top up the sand every now and again as you will normally hoover some of it up!

I am not sure about planting in sand. I know it can be done, but in my eyes, that would mean using a thicker layer of sand which leads to ammonia build up. I find it difficult enough to plant with the gravel haha.

As for settling, its not bad. It will kick up , but it settles in a couple mins.

from the initial set up though, it takes longer to settle. but if compared to the 'soil' like substrates, it settles much quicker! Sand is heavy, where as the soil i just put in colours the water, so takes ages to settle.

There is an artical on here somewhere about putting in sand, but i think i summarised it above :p
 
The dirt is easy to see, so its easy to clean....but its the ease of seeing it which put me off - it always looks messy!


I am not sure about planting in sand. I know it can be done, but in my eyes, that would mean using a thicker layer of sand which leads to ammonia build up. I find it difficult enough to plant with the gravel haha.

from the initial set up though, it takes longer to settle. but if compared to the 'soil' like substrates, it settles much quicker! Sand is heavy, where as the soil i just put in colours the water, so takes ages to settle.


I think it would be better for me to see where the dirt is so i know that i am not missing it, as it gets stuck in gravel so easily, and surely if i clean it regularly it would be alright?
I always presumed the plants were put in to the substrate and then the sand was added on top, but wasn't sure.
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I am thnking of making my discus tank look better, as when i first got the tank, i got it with 2 discus, 2 plecos and 2BGK. Which meant i had to set it up straight away with what i had, so it doesn't really look very nice..
How long do you think the substrate will take to settle? as i will have to move the fish if i was going to redo everything, but obviously i don't want them in another tank for to long.
 
A deep sand substrate does not lead to an ammonia build up. I find sand very easy to plant in and even when the roots take hold you are still able to move them around if you are not happy with them as the sand simply falls away when they get uprooted.
 
A deep sand substrate does not lead to an ammonia build up. I find sand very easy to plant in and even when the roots take hold you are still able to move them around if you are not happy with them as the sand simply falls away when they get uprooted.

hmm, i am not sure exactly how it works, buti have experienced a deep smell of ammonia while moving sand! I do, and have always done 50% water changes with no problem.... until i used sand, and i got this smell which confirms the theory!

I also heard of someone who moved sand without knowing the above, and it wiped out their whole tank with the ammonia!!

That said, i am no expert with this! Thats just my knowledge and experience. Maybe having the plants would stop that from happening!
 
A deep sand substrate does not lead to an ammonia build up. I find sand very easy to plant in and even when the roots take hold you are still able to move them around if you are not happy with them as the sand simply falls away when they get uprooted.

hmm, i am not sure exactly how it works, buti have experienced a deep smell of ammonia while moving sand! I do, and have always done 50% water changes with no problem.... until i used sand, and i got this smell which confirms the theory!
What Tizer says is true. I am quite sure that it is impossible for fish water to smell of household ammonia (unless it was split near the tank or added directly to the water, even if there is a build up of ammonia. If anything, the only worry is a sulphery smell from the build up of gasses. Did you actually store any ammonia in the vicinity of the tank?
 
we are starting ours today.
Going to wash the rest of the slate today, wash the sand, and then think exactly about how we are going to design the caves for fishies to hide in.
Then we gonna get rid of most of the water, then house the fish in a big tub, with heater and filter,
and crack on redoing substrate, as quickly as possible, and put the big bit of bogwood in there too.
Hopefully it wont take too long, and the fish will be out of their homes for as least time as possible.
 
No ammonia kept next to the tank, but there is definitely gas release of some sort! Maybe not ammonia, but there is something haha
 
with deeper sand its fine you just have to move it now and then to release any trapped gasses. adding MTS will also help as they will burrow into the sand moving it as they go :good:
when doing a water change just run your fingers through the substrate every now and then and it will be fine :good:
 

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