Substrate Switch - Gravel To Sand? - Done! Pics Later!

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Hey guys,

I have recently been pondering the idea of switching the substrate in my 40 gallon from gravel to sand, mainly because it looks better and i have 2 clown loach's, 5 corydoras and a Panda garra.

I have a few questions for you to answer if possible,

1) How many Kg would i need for a 180 litre 40 gallon tank.
2) How much, if at all, would it affect the stability of my tank, biologically wise? until the substrate organisms have built up again.
3) I have read somewhere about it breaking filter impellers? has anybody had this happen, if so how often? and how much of a risk is it?
4) Has anybody done this switch? and how did it go?
50 Depth of sand?

If anyone else can think of something I have missed, please feel free to add,. thanks a bunch,

Simo
 
Hi. I have just made the switch half way through my fishless cycle. I discovered that the gravel I got was raising the ph and also changed my stocking ideas to maybe having corys in the future so I decided just to change before I got fish..........less hassle. Unfortunately, my tank is smaller than yours. It is 125 litres which I think is around 28 uk gallons. I ordered 25kgs of sand but didn't quite need it all so that may give you an approximate idea. I went for pool filter sand which I believe is very slightly heavier than the play sand and I honestly was amazed at how easily cleaned it was. Literally a couple of rinses and it was fine. Even if I do stir up the sand it settles again very quickly so I don't think I am going to have any problems with the filter.

Hope this give you a bit of help.

Maureen
 
Hi. I have just made the switch half way through my fishless cycle. I discovered that the gravel I got was raising the ph and also changed my stocking ideas to maybe having corys in the future so I decided just to change before I got fish..........less hassle. Unfortunately, my tank is smaller than yours. It is 125 litres which I think is around 28 uk gallons. I ordered 25kgs of sand but didn't quite need it all so that may give you an approximate idea. I went for pool filter sand which I believe is very slightly heavier than the play sand and I honestly was amazed at how easily cleaned it was. Literally a couple of rinses and it was fine. Even if I do stir up the sand it settles again very quickly so I don't think I am going to have any problems with the filter.

Hope this give you a bit of help.

Maureen


where did you get that from maureen?
 
Good old ebay. lol Postage was expensive but I didn't mind as it was such nice quality.
 
Well ive gone for it, Bought a pack of sand, now just finished cleaning it, so going to start the adding to the tank process :)
 
On Friday, I changed from 80% sand and 20% black gravel back to 100% sand. Meaning I completely changed substrates.

The sand was "play sand" from B&Q at £5 for 25kg I think was a bargain, it's what I've used in all my previous tanks. Just ensure that it is thoroughly cleaned.

My technique was:

1)Prepare for the changeover, wash all the sand and have it ready, get any buckets cleaned and ready for swapping over.

2)Remove fish and put them into a 20L bucket (and covered the top of the bucket so the fish don't jump out, I wrapped a towel around the bucket too to insulate it.

3 a) I'm not sure how most people do it, but I used a 1/2Metre length of hose to syphon out all the sand off the bottom, naturally water came out with the sand, so I let the sand settle in the bottom of the bucket and tipped the water back into the tank, so it never really dropped below 100L (In a 125L tank).

3 b) However if you are changing from gravel to sand then it would probably be best to try and scoop the gravel out with either your hand or I used a small garden trowel type thing for the intial parts.

4) Have a quick syphon of any other waste that has settled on the bare bottom of the tank.


5) Begin to scoop the sand out of the bucket and place it in the bottom of the tank, if you still have water in like I did it will just drop off the scoop, form a small cloud and then quickly settle.

6) You will want about 1-2" of sand depending on wether or not your tank is planted, in which case go for around 2".


7) When the sand is all in, fill the water back up to full with fresh, dechlorinated water.

8) Put the filter(s) on and leave it 30mins then introduce the fish back in.

^ This is how I did mine on Friday, and the fish all look well and healthy, no casualties or losses.

Best of luck,

Tim.
 
On Friday, I changed from 80% sand and 20% black gravel back to 100% sand. Meaning I completely changed substrates.

The sand was "play sand" from B&Q at £5 for 25kg I think was a bargain, it's what I've used in all my previous tanks. Just ensure that it is thoroughly cleaned.

My technique was:

1)Prepare for the changeover, wash all the sand and have it ready, get any buckets cleaned and ready for swapping over.

2)Remove fish and put them into a 20L bucket (and covered the top of the bucket so the fish don't jump out, I wrapped a towel around the bucket too to insulate it.

3 a) I'm not sure how most people do it, but I used a 1/2Metre length of hose to syphon out all the sand off the bottom, naturally water came out with the sand, so I let the sand settle in the bottom of the bucket and tipped the water back into the tank, so it never really dropped below 100L (In a 125L tank).

3 b) However if you are changing from gravel to sand then it would probably be best to try and scoop the gravel out with either your hand or I used a small garden trowel type thing for the intial parts.

4) Have a quick syphon of any other waste that has settled on the bare bottom of the tank.


5) Begin to scoop the sand out of the bucket and place it in the bottom of the tank, if you still have water in like I did it will just drop off the scoop, form a small cloud and then quickly settle.

6) You will want about 1-2" of sand depending on wether or not your tank is planted, in which case go for around 2".


7) When the sand is all in, fill the water back up to full with fresh, dechlorinated water.

8) Put the filter(s) on and leave it 30mins then introduce the fish back in.

^ This is how I did mine on Friday, and the fish all look well and healthy, no casualties or losses.

Best of luck,

Tim.


Thanks,

Well..... that was an experience.

God help me, i was so tempted to quit half way through, It did not go to plan at all, ill add some pictures later on.

Right. I used two polystyrene boxes, one very large one, and one littler one, In the large on i put all the fish that I knew for certain were going to get along, I.E. all tetras, my angelfish, my male gourami and corys. In the smaller one i put the ones that i thought might have a squabble with the ones in the bigger box, I.E. My FEMALE gourami, and my two clown loaches. Unfortunately, there were 3 or 4 tetra, that were just impossible to catch, it may sound harsh that i left them in there but there was no way of catching those with a net in a 40 gallon.

So, i took the water down a little further, and proceeded to remove the gravel, now i pride myself just like all of us on keeping my tank clean, and under this subject comes gravel cleaning, well, god help me xD after removing a couple of jugs full of gravel, it was shocking to me how much dirt was actually under there, i mean tons, maybe this is just my bad maintenence i dunno, but it was ALOT, after doing about half of the gravel, the water was.. BROWN bordering on BLACK, at this point i felt like curling up into a ball and not contiuing because i diddnt know what to do, i pushed through it, whilst making a couple of emergency water changes to clear the water somewhat (so i could see what i was doing!)at this point i felt really bad, feeling that i had ruined my tank. I got most of the gravel out, theres a layer on the bottom of about 1cm, the rest on top is sand.

All the fish went back in in good health, the corys immediatly started digging :)

The tank is still very cloudy, is it OK. to run the filter? i think whats making it cloudy now is just dirt, poop, from what was the gravel. I did clean it VERY thourughly, i will also have to put some more sand in at a later date as i diddnt quite have enough.

Opinions please?

Thanks,

Simo
 
Probably just fine dust if you cleaned it properly. Should be ok to turn the filter back on. If it's any consolation my gravel, that I thought I had cleaned, was also extremely dirty and that was without fish!!!!
 
Sorry if my instructions weren't clear, but at least your trauma is over now.

Waste/dirt is a problem with gravel, and essentially its the great thing about having sand, you can see how clean it is, and is generally much easier just to syphon over the top to suck up the waste.
 
Sorry if my instructions weren't clear, but at least your trauma is over now.

Waste/dirt is a problem with gravel, and essentially its the great thing about having sand, you can see how clean it is, and is generally much easier just to syphon over the top to suck up the waste.

Timmy, your instructions were perfectly clear, dont worry about it, I had already started by the time you posted your reply, diddnt see it until i had finished xD

Iam so glad, the trauma was worth it!, it looks MUCH better now, brings out the colour of the plants and fish alot more, and the corys are loving it! i'll post some pics later, i took some of most of the process, might help someone else in the future.

Thanks guys
 
Hey,

I was told if the sand gets into the filter then it can wear down the impeller. Doesnt take long for the sand to settle though, just make sure your intake in atleast 4 inches from the ubstrate, then you shouldnt get any sand in the filter ;)
 
Hey,

I was told if the sand gets into the filter then it can wear down the impeller. Doesnt take long for the sand to settle though, just make sure your intake in atleast 4 inches from the ubstrate, then you shouldnt get any sand in the filter ;)

ah ok cool thanks :good: (how do you go about cleaning it, just the same, with a syphon?
 
Yep just syphon straight over the top in the dirty areas, the sand is heavier than the waste, but none the less you will often suck up a bit of sand, but don't worry about it.

My filters have always been fine.
 

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