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Going by what i have in my signature, if i remove the 9 forktail rainbows do you think i have room for either

a pair of pictus catfish or so i can stir up the sand a bit a single geophagus proximus
 
if you use the 1cm per litre rule then i still have 50 cm of fish i can put in

fish
denisonii adult size 15 quantity 5 total size 75
celebe adult size 7.5 quantity 5 total size 37.5
cupid adult size 14 quantity 2 total size 28
gourami adult size 7 quantity 2 total size 14
cockatoo adult size 7.5 quantity 2 total size 15
rams adult size 7.5 quantity 3 total size 22.5
bristlnose adult size 15 quantity 1 total size 15
goby adult size 8 quantity 1 total size 8
sheatfish adult size 20 quantity 2 total size 40

total cm in tank 255
 
If you're planning to swap the fish out like you did last time, then definitely no.

Except for the too large number of species you already have, the pictus will eat your smaller fish and Geophagus are schoolers.

Also, length of fish per volume of water is a very unreliable way of getting a stocking for the tank.
 
i have another tank for the forktails so the smallest will ne the celebes and the rams, the celebes are currently about 6cm.

do you think the celebe and rams will get eaten then?
 
dont have any stocking suggestions, but im just saying, that 1cm per litre rule is rubbish, it really is. do you think a 10cm goldfish needs the same size tank as 10 1cm rasboras? No. you need to take into account the body shape of the fish, for exapmle the godlfish are very deep bodied and so need deeper tanks than say, rasboras, because they need to be able to turn around properly.
 
i have another tank for the forktails so the smallest will ne the celebes and the rams, the celebes are currently about 6cm.

do you think the celebe and rams will get eaten then?
Possibly not, at that size.. especially if the pictus are small/young to start off with.
 
A little in defense of the volume per length calculators its not a bad way of toting up, IMO its so unaccurate both ways you can determine some kind of guide as to how well it will work.

In this tank I would probably look at upping some numbers that you already have, especially some of the cichlids you have. When I saw you mention a Geophagus and started reading your list I instantly thought of their smaller cousin the Cupid Cichlid, but then I saw you already have - I would really recommend getting some more of them as they are a gregarious cichlid and in a tank that size you can totally get away with a nice group of them, and they will do the same job as a Geophagus especially as they grow.

I would also up your Apistos with an other female just to give your first a break from the male now and again as she will need it.

I kind of feel that you are trying 2 set ups here, you have a nice array of dwarfs in there but then you add in stuff like your Sheatfish and want to add Pictus and Geos. I mean since the issue was raised about you adding Pictus the same can be said for the Sheatfish which after a quick google reveal a gorgeous fish which grow to 8 inches and eat smaller fish :/ see what Im saying?

Also with the Knight Goby, generally considered a brackish fish :/ And similarly I dont feel the requirements of the Rams are being met either. They can be a delicate fish, especially the newly line bred Electric Blues, as stunning as they are I would be more tempted to keep them in a tank dedicated to them specifically with a low Ph and high temperatures. Not sure on what your Ph is but while you have fish like the Barbs and the Gourami (among others) in there its not going to happen with regards the temperature as they will not be able to cope long term with it. What is often found with Rams in these conditions is that they waste away after about 18 months where as they should live to about 5 years. This is because the low temperature messes with their metabolism and in turn can effect their gill function. For this reason I would always recommend Bolivian Rams for this kind of set up....

For me, I would stick with the dwarf and smaller fish in this tank, though odds are the Denisons would be a welcome addition to this kind of set up. But in doing so I would split your rams from the main tank into a tank of around 20 gallons or more and keep them as they will thrive with a high Ph and consider lowering the Ph naturally (if your Ph is not already low) with Almond Leaves.

As much as I hate to say this to people but I would seriously consider rehoming the Sheetfish as I really do think they will pose a threat to your other fish in later life.

So for me I would have in the 300liter

3 Cockatoo Cichlids (1M, 2F)
5 Cupid Cichlids (mix of genders)
3 Dwarf Gourami (1M, 2F)
5 denisonii barbs
5 celebe rainbows
9 fork tail rainbows
1 bristlenose
1 amano shrimp,1 bamboo shrimp (perhaps up your shrimps if you want to, I would probably recommend it)

And then yeah you probably can add more to the tank quite easily just think smaller, more general community fish rather than things with requirements or brackish water etc etc. Personally I think Loaches would work really well in this tank and a nice big group of Dwarf Chain Loaches would be brilliant!

Then moving the Rams over to a 90 liter (or larger) I would probably look to do something like

3x Rams - 2 German Blue 1 Electric Blue
8x Rummy Nose Tetras
8x Sterbai Cories

And like I say in there a higher temperature and a low ph will be perfect, adding the Almond leaves is the best way to go as it lowers it naturally and it will calmly lower your tap water down to around 6.5/6.8 depending on how many you use per liter/gallon.

Hope thats helped, it is intended to and not to offend but I can see you kind of hitting problems in the future for a number of different reasons so really wanted to flag them now before things get out of hand.

Wills
 
+1 to what Wills said, he's covered all the points in detail.
 
my intention was to incread the cupids but nowhere had them or could get them, some places werent even sure what they were.

i am putting the forktails and cockatoos in a 65 ltr tank i have cycling at the moment. the goby had an infection so i returned him to the shop.

in my 300ltr i will have


5 denisonii
5 celebe
2 cupid
2 dwarf gourami
2 rams
1 bristlnose
2 blue sheatfish
3 pictus catfish
 
Why not keep the Apistos in the 300 liter and move the Rams to the 65?

I would still worry with the Celebes and the Sheatfish and Pictus.

Wills
 
Wow, I have never even heard of celebes growing 1 cm in two days! What's the trick?

On a more serious note, the sheetfish will still be able to eat them, even when they are adult. If you want an example of how extreme the eating can get: I used to have a 2 inch frogfish which would feed on 2.5 inch sardines. The sheetfish will eat some of the smaller fish you keep.
 

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