Stocking A New Tank

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Hello,

I am about to stock a lovely 46 gallon tank.

Some Species I like:
Showa Koi Swordtails (Possibly a trio)
Koi Veil-Tail Angelfish (one)
Either Rosyboras, Black Neons, or Black Phantoms (Like 8)
Panda Corys (6ish)
Small Species Pleco or Raphael Catfish (one)

I do wish to keep live plants. Are these species all compatable?
 
I have no idea about those fish, but let's start with this question: Is your tank cycled? As in, the filter has been allowed to build a colony of bacterium that will be able to process ammonia produced by the fish?...
 
I have no idea about those fish, but let's start with this question: Is your tank cycled? As in, the filter has been allowed to build a colony of bacterium that will be able to process ammonia produced by the fish?...

Yes. I installed the filter nearly three weeks ago, along with a Start Right Formula and live plants were added yesterday.
 
I have no idea about those fish, but let's start with this question: Is your tank cycled? As in, the filter has been allowed to build a colony of bacterium that will be able to process ammonia produced by the fish?...

Yes. I installed the filter nearly three weeks ago, along with a Start Right Formula and live plants were added yesterday.

Have you been testing the water? adding ammonia? if not then I doubt that it is cycled
 
Yes, agree with Tom. Ahh! You are so lucky! You have stumbled across a great forum and posted what you are doing prior to actually putting the fish in! We help with hundreds of cases I guess each year and there are just so, so many new hobbyists who come home from the LFS with bottles of potions and assurances that the potion will speed everything up and get them rolling with fish right away!

Even when a very experienced hobbyists performs a "from scratch" fishless cycle, they virtually never achieve a proper "working biofilter" in less than a month and its often closer to 70 days or so. The correct two species of autotrophic bacteria just truly don't grow any faster than that and are almost never found alive in any bottles (they are quite difficult to grow even in the fresh oxygenated water and correct ammonia feeding environment as it is!)

Now that you are here you have the chance to learn how to "qualify" your filter to see whether the claims have been met: A working biofilter needs to be able to process a 5ppm concentration of ammonia (as supplied by simple household cleaning ammonia of the right type) down to zero ppm ammonia and zero ppm nitrite(NO2) within 12 hours of when the original ammonia was dosed as tested by good liquid-reagent based test kits. (Short of million dollar lab equipment, this is the only practical way of knowing to an acceptable level whether the biofilter is actually -working- enough yet.

The major concern of the LFS (its a thing that has become kind of "built-in" in the industry, rather than a case by case thing) is to not "lose" you due to your own impatience. The true freshwater hobby really does require some ability to relax and understand the slowness of some of the things involved. The industry is playing the statistics, knowing they will keep more people if they push the process too fast and unfortunately, they actually get a secondary positive for themselves in replacing fish that have died or selling medications for fish that have been vulnerable to disease because the artificial tank environment was not yet really ready to sustain them.

I encourage you to have a go at learning how to carry out the tests on the filter (it does take at least a week or so to have any real feedback, not a single set of test results.) The members here in the beginners section are great at helping with just about any question you could have about it.

~~waterdrop~~ :)
ps. Welcome to TFF!
 
All of the fish you've picked are compatible which is great! However I would alter the numbers of each species that you're planning on getting. Ie. more corys and the such.

Problem is that aqua tom is right. Your tank isn't cycled if it's simply been filled with water and left for 3 weeks. Even if you have added 'Start Right Formula' it's definitely not cycled. The bacteria products often don't work at all. But on top of that you need ammonia to cycle a tank.

See the links in my signature for information on what cycling actually is. And also on the two types, fishless cycling and fish in cycling.
 
All of the fish you've picked are compatible which is great! However I would alter the numbers of each species that you're planning on getting. Ie. more corys and the such.

Problem is that aqua tom is right. Your tank isn't cycled if it's simply been filled with water and left for 3 weeks. Even if you have added 'Start Right Formula' it's definitely not cycled. The bacteria products often don't work at all. But on top of that you need ammonia to cycle a tank.

See the links in my signature for information on what cycling actually is. And also on the two types, fishless cycling and fish in cycling.

I actually went out yesterday and picked up 8 red fin high fin tetras (they look like the black phantoms but are red) and they are doing super :)
 
They often look fine for the first 24-48 hours, then ammonia poisoning sets in. They tend to stop moving around so much, rapid gill movement and eventually gasping at the surface then death.

Fish in cycles are do-able, but please read the links in my signature and buy yourself a good quality liquid test kit such as API Master Test Kit.
 
I love those red hi-finned tetras. Does anyone know their name? I have seen them sold as "peppermint tetras," "red phantoms" and "rosy tetras."
 

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