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FBT - please listen to what people are saying, you are going to cause yourself heartache by not being prepared before putting them into the breeding tank, never mind if they spawn - you could end up causing the female stress and damage and end up with little to no spawn.

You said in an earlier topic that you were going to speak to your lfs - first I would do that and see if you would be able to get them into the lfs for them to sell on. Second, if they are unable to take any of them on from you, you then need to draw up a plan on what you will do with the fry when they are large enough to sell i.e. if you can build up enough interest online to sell them on (keep in mind of both of these options you may need to spend money to get them taken off your hands like housing cups and packaging).

If either of the above options are going to work, then think about (not do) getting the betta's to spawn. One of the first things on your list of to do's should be to condition the betta you want to mate, another is to make sure you have the food in needed for the fry before you mate the fish, so that you are prepared and then you need to make sure you have enough space and equipment to house the fry when they get to the stage you need to split them. Then and only then should you then go about mating your fish. I know you don't care if people tell you not to do it, but just think of all the things that can go wrong without a little bit of preparation.

From what I can see there isn't a huge rush for you to breed the fish as from what I have read you aren't 100% if the lfs can take your fry on when the times comes. I would sort all that out so that you don't need to be worried about being over stocked, then get the food situation sorted out so that you aren't heartbroken if the fry start to die if you don't have the food in.

People are only trying to give you good advice so that the bettas aren't going to be suffering, but if you don't work things out before mating them you will also suffer. Take your time over this, it isn't a race. :)
 
well, live foods are great for fry. I recommend it whole heartedly. But I am afraid that "they must have live foods" is a myth. I have a limited experiance with breeding bettas. I have bred 9 spawns. My first few were with micro worms, I had good luck with decapped brine shrimp eggs. The babies ate it readily from the 2nd day on. I did mix the micro worms, but saying the bettas wont eat unless it is live is not right. I have seen them hit anything in the water, moving or not.

I even tried on one of my later spawns the first feeding was decapped eggs, they gobbled them up. I mixed the feedings, some were exclusive decapped eggs, some were exclusive micro worms. Some were mixed.


I would recommend having a steady supply of worms on hand before breeding, not after. Just a recommendation. A starter culture can be bought for as little as 2 bucks.

get you a old butter bowl and lid
a package of yeast
some old wheat or white bread (not moldy)
and a bit of warm water.

Put the yeast and bread and water in the bowl, put in the culture. All you have to do is now keep it moist and bread in there. watch for mold. I usually had 2 things of worms going in case one went bad on me. After a few days, a "white" ring starts to form, those fellas are the worms to feed to the fish. Get you finger and wipe the ring off, and not touch the mucky stuff. swish the worms in the water. The babies go crazy.

I usually add a little vitamins or sometimes spirulina powder in so the worms are more nutritious...

here is a little advice, take it for what its worth.
 
Well, seeing as I just had a successful spawn back in March (and I'm really tired of reading the sarcastic BS on here):

If you need fry food fast: hard boil an egg, let it cool and take a little itty bitty bit of the yolk (discard or eat the white yourself) and put it between your thumb and index finger, wet your finger in the tank and rub them together, you'll see little tiny piece of yolk floating around, and the fry will eat it if you watch really close. The only thing is it does foul the water, some people have said to put a snail in the bottom of the fry tank, just be careful you don't overfeed. Check out www.bettatalk.com for all the spawning information you could ever ask for.

Good luck and have fun :)

Oh and the male may take a few days, give him some time...
 
why do bettas need live food? i've never bred bettas, i'm just curious because i feed my guppy fry first bites with the tip of a paper clip... the powdery high protein food seems to spurt their growth a bunch. couldn't you just use that?
 
Betta fry are more inclined to eat live food because it moves, and they're natural predatory instincts tell them "Thats food, chase it and eat it" If the foods not moving they're a lot less likely to eat it, and have a higher chance of being weak and even starving to death.
 
Well, seeing as I just had a successful spawn back in March (and I'm really tired of reading the sarcastic BS on here):

If you need fry food fast: hard boil an egg, let it cool and take a little itty bitty bit of the yolk (discard or eat the white yourself) and put it between your thumb and index finger, wet your finger in the tank and rub them together, you'll see little tiny piece of yolk floating around, and the fry will eat it if you watch really close. The only thing is it does foul the water, some people have said to put a snail in the bottom of the fry tank, just be careful you don't overfeed. Check out www.bettatalk.com for all the spawning information you could ever ask for.

Good luck and have fun :)

Oh and the male may take a few days, give him some time...


I forgot about the egg yolk, but as KNT says, it is messy :crazy:

If the foods not moving they're a lot less likely to eat it, and have a higher chance of being weak and even starving to death.

as for that, I have seen the fry attack the decapped brine shrimp no problem. It may be the water had a bit of current, I did and will filter my fry tanks. I plan on to continue with decapped BBS eggs and microworms. What gave me the idea to try just a decapped brineshrimp spawn was because of the www.waynesthisandthat.com page his site is awesome for betta knowledge and just some cool other stuff also.
 
get you a old butter bowl and lid
a package of yeast
some old wheat or white bread (not moldy)
and a bit of warm water.

Put the yeast and bread and water in the bowl, put in the culture. All you have to do is now keep it moist and bread in there. watch for mold. I usually had 2 things of worms going in case one went bad on me. After a few days, a "white" ring starts to form, those fellas are the worms to feed to the fish. Get you finger and wipe the ring off, and not touch the mucky stuff. swish the worms in the water. The babies go crazy.


... this is helpful for me as iv tried to start 2 microworm cultures with no sucess ... i tried once putting torn up white bread pieces in with a pinch of yeast and half the culture in a 4 liter ice cream container with warm water ... didnt work

and with the other half of culture i tried putting in with rolled oats instead with a pinch of yeast and warm water in a 4 liter ice cream container too and it didnt work...

do you know what im doing wrong? maybe i need more than a pinch of yeast? or maybe the ice cream container isnt suitable or maybe the culture i had was already dead.... if theres anything you know to help me out it would be greatly appreciated... thanks!
 
get you a old butter bowl and lid
a package of yeast
some old wheat or white bread (not moldy)
and a bit of warm water.

Put the yeast and bread and water in the bowl, put in the culture. All you have to do is now keep it moist and bread in there. watch for mold. I usually had 2 things of worms going in case one went bad on me. After a few days, a "white" ring starts to form, those fellas are the worms to feed to the fish. Get you finger and wipe the ring off, and not touch the mucky stuff. swish the worms in the water. The babies go crazy.


... this is helpful for me as iv tried to start 2 microworm cultures with no sucess ... i tried once putting torn up white bread pieces in with a pinch of yeast and half the culture in a 4 liter ice cream container with warm water ... didnt work

and with the other half of culture i tried putting in with rolled oats instead with a pinch of yeast and warm water in a 4 liter ice cream container too and it didnt work...

do you know what im doing wrong? maybe i need more than a pinch of yeast? or maybe the ice cream container isnt suitable or maybe the culture i had was already dead.... if theres anything you know to help me out it would be greatly appreciated... thanks!

did you add warm water to the yeast? I used a spoonful of yeast, a slice or two of bread. I didnt even break it up. The water activates the yeast. But only put in enough of water to make the bread soggy , but not have a puddle of water. the worms wont do well in water, but need the water for the yeast to activate, and I assume to drink. The worms will feast on the yeast :D and bread. The culture you had could have also been bad.
 
Its true that egg yolks and other non-lives foods can be used, but I've always felt that it was better to do things the right way and not just the easy way.
 
Its true that egg yolks and other non-lives foods can be used, but I've always felt that it was better to do things the right way and not just the easy way.
if the fish eat, and eat a healthy food, that is the right way.
feeding decapped brine shrimp eggs and micro worms to me are the right way. They both happen to be easy.
Feeding egg yolk is certainly not easy, the clean up afterward is worse than anything.

I think giving a young betta fry a variety of foods, live and non live, makes for a healthy happy betta. Variety is the spice of life.
:good: If you disagree that is fine, your way works also.

But I think alternatives should not be snubbed, we are here to share info and learn.
 
ahh well thats the problem right there i was filling up the container 1/8 or so with warm water .. much more than just covering the bread lol ... ok il try again .. thanks for your help :good:
 
Yes you can use the egg yolk, powder fry food, or liquifry, but I find the bettas are TYPICALLY unlikely to eat them. As you can see this doesn't go for all betta fry but why take a chance at killing tons of baby fry? I made the mistake I believe you are making in not being prepaired and attempting to feed my fry non-live food. My babies wanted nothing to do with the liquifry, egg yolk, or pwoder fry food. Of almost 200, all but 1 is dead! It took several weeks but I believe they never recognized it as food. As soon as I bought a culture from Aquabid and fed my one litte baby (his name is rescue) a few worms, he went crazy! He LOVES them and it's adorable watching him scavage around the bottom and catch a little wiggler in his mouth. If you decide to continue trying to spawn, I would suggest you buy a microworm culture from aquabid (I got one for $3.00) and PM me if you want to know of a good seller (can't think of her name right now lol). Oh and you should be able to buy a $10.00 10 gallon tank to spawn in and use as a growout tank for the fry at Walmart. Just make sure you also get a heater and sponge filter (as well as a temp gage).
 
your experience differs from mine as do mine from the next person. This isn't a place to scold someone, you said you learned from starving your fish. Did you try decapped brine shrimp eggs? Do you have water circulating? If the answer is no, then your experience is not the same as mine. My theory is the water circulating from the pump is moving the eggs creating movement. I have not trusted this theory to not have the pump on, but I can try it with my next batch. Turn it off during feedings...we will see.

For all of those that don't know of this site Waynes This and that check it out. There is more than one way to do something. Lets remember we are here to help one another.
 
Help one another yes, but when a certain person comes on and posts a million irrelevant topics, refuses to take anyones advice even though they keep asking for it, decides to spawn bettas because its "fun" even though they don't have any idea what the fry eat. This person has gotten tons of helpful advice from lots of members on here and refuses to take any of it, they keep their bettas, and I quote, in tanks "about 4 times the size of the cups you buy them in" I know a lot of people on here are tired of it, and feel that this person needs to either take the advice their given, or get rid of the fish, because doing things there own way is NOT in the best interest of the fish, and they've shown on countless occasions that they're really not capable of taking care of these fish properly, especially not like 6 of them.
 
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