sexing sparkling gouramis

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I have a t. schalleri also -- he gets along fine with the rest of my sparklers (three female, two male) -- and though they were roughly the same size when I got them, the t. schalleri is about a quarter-inch bigger than the biggest of the t. pumila now. Plus he has the pretty anal fin extension. Unfortunately, all of them are camera shy... those are great pictures above.

As far as sexing -- the only reliable way I've found is being able to see the ovary when the light shines through them. For example, the three females I have now all have the upper row of spots, and though for two the the row is a bit more broken up, for one of them it's just as distinct and looks identical to that of the males'. The fins look identical to the males; one of the females is a little less vividly colored (browns are less dark, the red edging is thinner, the sparkles less bright) but the other two females are just as bright as the males. All three females flare and circle (with each other and with the males), and honestly I can't tell which are doing the clicking.

However, the ovary is distinct. Try floating some food at the front of the tank (cordon it off with some airline tubing or something so it's within an inch of the front) with your tank light in place, so the fish are backlit while they're eating. (It helps to sit low so you're looking up at the light through the fish.) You'll see the sillouette of the internal organs just behind the head in the lower half of the fish, in a male it looks like the lower half of a capital D if the fish is facing left <= (imagine the bottom of the D starting at the thread fins, and the midpoint of the D curve at the lateral line of the fish). In the females, just under the main stripe you'll see a small pointed extension (arrowhead shape) coming off the curve (sometimes it's almost hidden under the stripe, when they're not ripe). Geez this is hard to put into words. But basically, with the lighting, it is a visible difference. In my experience, if the internal organ sillouette of your fish all look the same, then you only have one gender.

Anyway, I've been keeping sparklers for five years now, prior to the ones I have now -- they're my favorite fish -- and the external indicators (fin shape, color, stripes, etc.) have never univerally matched up to having an ovary or not...
 
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Well, thanks. Yana. It's not what we hoped to hear, but useful. Truth is always better than fiction. :p

So here go the little flash lights and peering into inerds to find ovaries. Sigh
 
pica_nuttalli said:
you've just got two different species of sparklers. These are the websites iI liked best back when I was considering adding some sparkly fish:

http://aquaworld.netfirms.com/Labyrinthfis...s_schalleri.htm
http://aquaworld.netfirms.com/Labyrinthfis...psis_pumila.htm

but your pictures are a lot better than theirs. :clap: :kewlpics:

--EDIT--
speaking of pictures... elizabeth, what's that in your new avatar? :drool:
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I didn't realize there were 2 different species of sparklers :D I think I've only seen pumila over here -_-

I really want to get some but with all the problems I am going through it doesn't look like it'll be anytime soon :/ I did buy a big clear plastic container yesterday that I'm going to have around as a quarentine "tank" that way all my aquariums can be used as normal tanks :D

pica_nuttalli - The fish in my avatar is a peacock gudgeon. The same kind I lost last week. My male died for reasons unknown (starvted or something internal we suspect) and then my little female abandoned ship the day before yesterday :byebye:

edit again: pica_nuttalli I think you were talking about another avatar I uploaded for like 10 mins. I'm going to change to that one again right now. If that's the one your talking about then the fish is a Pseudepiplatys annulatus or Banded Panchax.
 
I'm sorry, Elisabeth. Did you figure out what happened? Is everything else ok?

I think the summer temp fluctuations are affecting my smaller tank. For me it's the air conditioner going off and on blowing cold air.
 
Talk about Awww, Rats!

Well, thanks. Yana. It's not what we hoped to hear, but useful. Truth is always better than fiction.

Oh, it won't be that hard. Believe me, I'm hardly a fish or aquarium expert. I only know because I'd read the same things as the rest of you and sat there staring at my new sparkly fish trying to figure it out (well, I stare at them for other reasons, don't you all love just watching your tank?). And then I selected one at my fish store, and the fish guy says, "oh, a female," and showed me what to look for as she's netted against the front of the tank. And I brought her home and she colors up real pretty, and fins, stripe, all that, look identical to the two sparklers I already had. Who, on inspection as they were eating, did not have the little arrowhead shaped thing. Sadly, that trio passed on after two years, they really shaped my crush on sparklers.

I wish I could take pictures for you of what to look for. Somehow they seem to know if I'm sitting there with food or sitting there with a camera (no flash), and all I get is non-sparkly shadows in the plants, never mind a clear shot of internal masses... I've been trying to get a shot of those blue, blue eyes forever now. I can see those from across the room sometimes, but can't catch them on "film"...
 

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