School Science Project

[rollntider]

well I feel if sorrell wants to take the risk let her, personally I wouldnt do it, because I would only trust me and my kids around them. Actually I would only trust my wife to feed and thats it. My kids I can trust to feed and maybe do water changes. My daughter is in training. but it is a good idea if she is willing to risk and be willing to over look the project with her.

 

[tekknocolor]

Well, I say good luck and I hope everything turns out alright. I'm all for learning and it's nice to see someone volunteer their time like you're about to do I'm sure it'll be a learning experience for you too. I hope the girl learns to respect and appreciate bettas more once the experiment is over too.

 

[Sorrell]

Don't do it Sorrell, tell her it's nothing to be taken lightly. Quote yourself from Julie's pinned thread....it's not something to do just because,AND it's a lot of freakin work. What if she gets bored with coming to feed 2-7 times a day? What if she stops coming by to do water changes every other day? Do you wind up with your very own rotting walmart style set-up going on? Or does it turn into your work? You know it will be your work, they might as well be your bettas from your spawn...not hers.

What I am saying is that i don't want to help someone breed VTs or poor quality fish, so since I will be breeding here anyway, I don't see why she couldn't do some research and provide her input and help out. I never meant that I would set her loose in my fishroom with my fish and/or hers.

 

[wuvmybetta]

Hey I'm not trying to discourage you. I'm just trying to think of unforeseen troubles, for example...mehhh,n/m. The vibe in this thread is edgy enough.

Good luck!

 

[Sorrell]

no no no don't n/m, I want to hear input or else I wouldn't have posted this. I do see where you all are coming from, I just want to hear what people think about it. I honestly would never do anything that I felt would/could put my fish in danger.

 

[GP]

Have her write a paper on the process and steps, not actually come to YOUR facility and breed YOUR fish. Honestly, I wouldn't trust anyone, but that's just me, and I guess wuv.

 

[lizard]

In Minnesota at least, and perhaps other states, any science project done by students has to be supervised and signed off on by a veterinarian. The veterinarian has to be told what's going to happen and be involved in the whole thing - it's not just a matter of getting a signature.

Something else to consider...

Pamela
aka Married Lizard

 

[Sorrell]

In Minnesota at least, and perhaps other states, any science project done by students has to be supervised and signed off on by a veterinarian. The veterinarian has to be told what's going to happen and be involved in the whole thing - it's not just a matter of getting a signature.

Something else to consider...

Pamela
aka Married Lizard

Not here...never heard of that in fact, is that common?

 

[wuvmybetta]

See,it's not about Sorrell's fish. It's about how much work is involved. Who's going to do the bbs hatcheries? Setting them up twice a day,collecting the brine. Daily water changes. Sorrell? Wow,that's awful nice....hope that chick gets an A for all of your hard work! Plus her entire study will be hypocritical because the full 'experience' of breeding isn't having someone do it for you.

Plus....what about the frozen food when they're a month old and older? Are you going to be footing the bill for 20 dollars worth of food every week?

IMO...the betta breeding experience should be hands on....and one set of hands only (unless of course it's like a hubby wife team like many,many breeders) But the real feel of it is....
"wow....I'm *bleepin'* broke! But my fish are amazing "

It's a bogus 'project' if it doesn't cost you a penny and you don't have to lift a finger But hey...I don't know much. Go for it,don't get mad when the babies are in need and you haven't seen her in days. I suppose you should keep notes to give her 'project' the real feel. LFS receipts will be good too. Make sure she tallies up the total cost of the whole 'project' as to not paint a picture to others in her class that it's just 'that easy'.

 

[GuppyDude]

im a softmore in highschool myself, v ponderd the idea for a project but theres way too much time energy and money to put into it, just for an A+. if u and the girl dont mind spending the time and money go for it, sounds cool

 

[cation]

It's a bogus 'project' if it doesn't cost you a penny and you don't have to lift a finger But hey...I don't know much. Go for it,don't get mad when the babies are in need and you haven't seen her in days. I suppose you should keep notes to give her 'project' the real feel. LFS receipts will be good too. Make sure she tallies up the total cost of the whole 'project' as to not paint a picture to others in her class that it's just 'that easy'.

What if she approached it as a betta genetics project? Sorrell's pointed out that she's going to be spawning anyway, so maybe with her approval the kid could help pick a pair or two after researching the expected outcome. Then Sorrell could approve the pair as one she would like to spawn (or not) and breed them. The kid could spend the in between time doing research on genetics, working on her proposed hypothesis, and perhaps doing a little volunteer betta helping at sorrells house (eg water hauling and dumping, betta room sweeping, maybe teach her how to use water testing kits and have her check the pH, whatever).

The outcome is the kid gets a project similar to what she wanted, Sorrell gets spawns that she's happy with, and an added benefit, that she will understand some of the genetics of the spawn in a deeper way.

 

[f250fisherman]

It's very possible they want to do it in the classroom. I sold a HM on AB to a teacher. He puts it in the classroom, and spawns the pr. Well, the class does. It is a class project. There is a larger tank there as well, thats used for a growout. Then each student gets to take a juvie home at the end of the class. I think it would be a good idea to see what they have in mind, then make your own suggestions. It's nice of you to want to help her.

 

[lizard]

In Minnesota at least, and perhaps other states, any science project done by students has to be supervised and signed off on by a veterinarian. The veterinarian has to be told what's going to happen and be involved in the whole thing - it's not just a matter of getting a signature.

Something else to consider...

Pamela
aka Married Lizard

Not here...never heard of that in fact, is that common?

Might not be a well-known fact. I didn't know about it until I was at that particular vet clinic (I also wasn't in public school at the time, either). You could probably call a local vet clinic and ask if a vet's involvement is required in school science projects involving animals.

Pamela
aka Married Lizard

 

[mandi]

It's very possible they want to do it in the classroom. I sold a HM on AB to a teacher. He puts it in the classroom, and spawns the pr. Well, the class does. It is a class project. There is a larger tank there as well, thats used for a growout. Then each student gets to take a juvie home at the end of the class. I think it would be a good idea to see what they have in mind, then make your own suggestions. It's nice of you to want to help her.

Wow that's awesome -- I bet the kids would really get into that! I wish my school had done something like that haha, I might have enjoyed science classes a lot more!

I don't know how "hands-on" her project needs to be for her science project to count, but agree with cation's idea -- have her do genetic research, let her choose a pair that she "hypothesizes" (sp?) will have desirable offspring ... and if you "approve" that pair (eg. you would have bred the two yourself anyway), then go ahead and spawn them.

I would do it with the assumption that you'll be doing all the work as far as feeding, cleaning, etc. I would give her lots of opportunities to get hands-on experience helping you though, because it would be a great science project as well as a great lesson about responsibility. I just wouldn't count on her being a good helper -- you never know, there's a wide range of high school kids -- some are very much responsible young adults, and others are, well ya know...

I think overall its a really great idea though and a great opportunity. I would just lay some ground-rules first.

 

[BabbleFish]

huh. I thought it was a good idea. I dunno, I think as long as you are breeding anyways and they are going to be your quality fish why not? When the babies are ready for homes or what not let her pic one or two she likes that she can keep and finish raising, leaving you with the babies you've worked for.


IT just seems to me that this would be a GREAT oppertunity to get the word out about how much hard work, money and cash goes into breading and even maintaining fish. There you go, at the begining of the project she could also hypothesize how much the total cost will be. Every time you let her help you with something new (ph test, feeding the different meals, etc. etc.) give her the cost of the suplies. You could prevent a lot of bad and uneeded breading before it happens. Well.. just a thought.

Oh well. i still think it's a nice idea. If you were going to be paying the cost of breeding anyways, had a little help on the side, and only lost a pair of your babies for it, i don't see why not.

As for doubt that she'll keep up the good and proper care, as long as your supervising and lay down strict rules before hand for when she visits alone, I would imagine things would be fairly safe. Maybe i'm just an optomist. oh wow, i've rambled for a long time.