Refill For Jbl Co2 Tank Between Glasgow And Largs

[2pods]

I've not used an external reactor, but hear good things about them. Dave has just got one, perhaps worth asking him. When I get my 100g I'm going to run 2 or 3 internal diffusers or might look to getting an external reactor, would make life easier having it outside the tank.

The setup sounds good, do you get relatively decent growth from the plants? Much algae?

10 clowns hey? They must love the space, my 100g will be mostly for their benefit and to house them for the next 20 years!

Two points, don't worry about using a nitrate sponge, it'll more than not do more harm than good (have you read the pinned estimative index article?) and also take the coral out of the filter. Plants tend to prefer a pH on the lower side so work with it not against it (I would kill for softer water out of my tap) and people run tanks down below 6pH and the fish don't mind either.

And yes that German kit should fit a fire extinguisher as all these things work to a standard size. It wont of course fit disposables, but you can get kits that take disposables if needs be. Disposable 600g cylinders are around 8-10 quid each.

Sam

6 of the clowns, 6 of the corys, and 2 of the angels are refugees from the Rio 240 I've just sold.
Unfortunately, since I moved them two days ago, I've hardly seen the clown loaches.
I hope they don't go like the four downstairs as they are very reclusive apart from the smallest one who thinks he's a platy

I used to get a reasonable amount of growth using the Flourish twice weekly and Excel daily, but it was getting too much as everything had to be mail order.
Hence the co2 idea.

I'm still thinking about it. The trouble is I don't know enough about the kit.
Especially the pH controller versions.
I understand what it does, but how long do the probes last, what do you have to replace etc, and of course, how much is it going to cost

Peter

 

[shrimply]

Ok can't add much to this thread but I have beaten my last fire extingusher link. Check out this seller.

Here

And also thought you might like to know I have just found out from another member the shipping for the complete kit from the German seller is 14.50 euros or about £9.50

 

[Themuleous]

You shouldn't need to replace anything on the kit, all the bits you can get in the UK(well that do the same thing) and they are interchangeable, so replacements isn't be an issue.

TBH don't both with a pH controller, they aren't necessary and are very expensive, spend the money on other things like a decent substrate or more lighting. Also, if the probe breaks or gets pulled out of the tank, it could flood the tank with CO2 killing your fish.

I know what you mean about the clowns, my 3 I never seen, especially since I redid the tank. They were most put out by that, lost one as a result as well

Sam

 

[Dave Spencer]

To answer the earlier question about CO2 reactors:

I started with a JBL vario diffuser which worked well, but was big and ugly. So, I then went over to a glass ceramic diffuser which looked a lot nicer and worked better, but I didn`t like seeing CO2 bubbles being blown all around the tank. My next idea was to have the diffuser directly under the filter inlet, so that all the bubbles went through the filter and not the tank. This method is still being used on my 120l.

For my 60l I am trying to keep as much equipment out of the tank as possible and that is why I have gone for the reactor. People who use them seem to think they work pretty well. The only hardware I intend on having in the 60l is the filter inlet and outlet and a CO2 dropper.

Cheers, Dave.

 

[2pods]

To answer the earlier question about CO2 reactors:

I started with a JBL vario diffuser which worked well, but was big and ugly. So, I then went over to a glass ceramic diffuser which looked a lot nicer and worked better, but I didn`t like seeing CO2 bubbles being blown all around the tank. My next idea was to have the diffuser directly under the filter inlet, so that all the bubbles went through the filter and not the tank. This method is still being used on my 120l.

For my 60l I am trying to keep as much equipment out of the tank as possible and that is why I have gone for the reactor. People who use them seem to think they work pretty well. The only hardware I intend on having in the 60l is the filter inlet and outlet and a CO2 dropper.

Cheers, Dave.

Dave,

what was the wattage of the shut off solenoid, as I hear some run very hot ?

Peter

 

[Dave Spencer]

The solenoid is 2.5W and 12V.

I forgot to mention in my journal that it comes with a two pin plug transformer, so I will need to by a shaving adaptor.

 

[2pods]

The solenoid is 2.5W and 12V.

I forgot to mention in my journal that it comes with a two pin plug transformer, so I will need to by a shaving adaptor.

OK guys, last questions for today, promise

One kit is advertised as "Active" (I think ?) and seems to have a seperate bubble counter
The JBL says no other pump is needed des this need one ?
One is advertised as "passive" and just has the diffuser
But I don't see a Co2 permanent test anywhere in either of them

Unfortunately everytime I try to use Google's translation tool IE7 crashes
I wish I spoke german

I really appreciate the time and patience everyone has shown me, so thanks to all

Peter

 

[Dave Spencer]

I think active refers to the reactor and passive to the diffuser. The diffuser doesn`t need a bubble counter because you can see the bubble rising up the spiral inside it.

For a permanent CO2 test, my pre journal outlines the best method for measuring CO2, although the method has since changed.

I am not sure what you mean by needing a pump.

 

[2pods]

I think active refers to the reactor and passive to the diffuser. The diffuser doesn`t need a bubble counter because you can see the bubble rising up the spiral inside it.

For a permanent CO2 test, my pre journal outlines the best method for measuring CO2, although the method has since changed.

I am not sure what you mean by needing a pump.

It said something about a pump in the translation of the active variety.

I don't fancy making up the test fluid for the co2 thingy (I'm having enough trouble breeding bbs)

 

[2pods]

I think active refers to the reactor and passive to the diffuser. The diffuser doesn`t need a bubble counter because you can see the bubble rising up the spiral inside it.

For a permanent CO2 test, my pre journal outlines the best method for measuring CO2, although the method has since changed.

I am not sure what you mean by needing a pump.

It said something about a pump in the translation of the active variety.

It was this one: Active setup with a diffuser and something else that according to the translation, required a pump

Peter

 

[afroturf]

I can't really help on the co2 system front although it's good reading i'm thinking of buying one of the systems of the german ebay sellers. But 2pods try this link http/babelfish.altavista.com/ usually works ok if the link tranlatro doesn't work you can just copy and paste the text and it will convert the text asap.

 

[2pods]

I can't really help on the co2 system front although it's good reading i'm thinking of buying one of the systems of the german ebay sellers. But 2pods try this link http/babelfish.altavista.com/ usually works ok if the link tranlatro doesn't work you can just copy and paste the text and it will convert the text asap.

Thanks Steven

I got it translated eventually, but I still don't know why the internal reactor needs a pump or filter connection, when the JBL claims not to.

My head is hurting now

Peter

 

[2pods]

This the translation of the pump bit:

The Druckreaktor is operated with the filter discharge or an additional pump, a part of the leaking out water is led over an adjustable branch into the reactor, where it makes the upward-striving CO2-Gas possible the constant against the current washed around and so highest CO2-Anreicherung of the aquarium water. The cousin counter is inserted between the pressure-reducing valve and the reactor into the CO2-Schlauch and permits an accurate counting CO2-Blä, then it makes an optimally proportioned CO2-Zufuhr possible in the aquarium. Our check valve is qualitatively high-quality and particularly appropriate for the use of many years in the Aquaristik.

AFAICS it's not an external reactor.
So why the need for the filter or pump connection ?

Peter

 

[Dave Spencer]

The reactor fits in line with the outlet of the filter. Perhaps they are referring to this.

Making up the 4dKH reference solution is easy provided you have accurate scales and some demin water.

Off the top of my head I think the latest version is:

Mix 6g of Sodium BiCarbonate with 5l of demin. to give a solution at 40dKH.

Mix 10ml of this with 90ml of demin to give 1l of 4dKH.

 

[2pods]

The reactor fits in line with the outlet of the filter. Perhaps they are referring to this.

Making up the 4dKH reference solution is easy provided you have accurate scales and some demin water.

Off the top of my head I think the latest version is:

Mix 6g of Sodium BiCarbonate with 5l of demin. to give a solution at 40dKH.

Mix 10ml of this with 90ml of demin to give 1l of 4dKH.

The kind of people with accurate scales in this neck of the woods are the kind of people to avoid

I think I may have not understood this properly at all.
There is a diffuser which just connects to the co2 tubing and lives in the tank
There is an external reactor with media which connects via the external filter's output tubing
But this internal reactor has to have a filter outlet, or a pump connected to it ?
I think that was why I was originally looking at the JBL as they had a reactor that basically just sat in the tank like a diffuser.

I have emailed the seller to see if he'll ship here, and how much.
I'm pretty set on getting a 2000g bottle which should last a while being switched off at night via the solenoid.

I think I need to find out the basics of the delivery eg diffuser versus reactor, why don't the JBLs need a pump etc etc

Peter