Q From The Misses

[dawie22]

okay angel is laying on the bottom, not atemping ot move, but gasping for air though mouth and gills
and the symise fighter is compleatly laying at the bottom then will get up and swim for about 30 min then find another spot ot go and lay down??? (note both fish are new additions to the tank, all other fish are ok)


cath

 

[Tolak]

Filling out the following onfo will help;


Tank size:
pH:
ammonia:
nitrite:
nitrate:
kH:
gH:
tank temp:

Fish Symptoms (include full description including lesion, color, location, fish behavior):

Volume and Frequency of water changes:

Chemical Additives or Media in your tank:

Tank inhabitants:

Recent additions to your tank (living or decoration):

Exposure to chemicals:

Digital photo (include if possible):


TY!

 

[a_lost_blonde]

RIght here is what you asked for, and thank you any help

Tank size:
pH: 7.5
ammonia: 0.0
nitrite:0.3
nitrate:110
kH: not sure
gH: not sure
tank temp: 48 (ithink)

Fish Symptoms (include full description including lesion, color, location, fish behavior):

Volume and Frequency of water changes: hmm, this is a new-ish tank about 3 months now so had a couple, and was toped up a little this sunday

Chemical Additives or Media in your tank: i'm guessing this means whats in my filter? i've just got a flval 305 on sunday.......

Tank inhabitants:
1 GSP puffer (2 1/2 inchs), 6 small daneos, two brissel nose plecs one very baby, cymease fighter, 2 baby angels, oh and 2 drawf honey grarmey

Recent additions to your tank (living or decoration):
new filter on sunday, which i think has thown eveything up in the air, i put some new plaints in as the honiys and puffer love them turined filter bk on and nothing happened to had ot rush out and get a new one!!

Exposure to chemicals:
??


I've just got home fomr work and had a look, and the yellow angel has acherly servived the day/night but is still sitting on the bottom leaning agest a plaint.


oh and BTW i'm the misses

 

[voo]

Your nitrate level is really high.
But i'd think that the new filter would be the biggest problem, but then you have no ammonia reading?

You shouldn't be 'topping up' the water. A water change should be done each week, 10-20% would be ok. Remember to add a dechlorinator to the water you are adding if it's tap water.

Have you added any medications or anything to the water lately?
I'd reccommend for now you do a 30% water change.

 

[SamUK]

RIght here is what you asked for, and thank you any help

Tank size:
pH: 7.5
ammonia: 0.0
nitrite:0.3
nitrate:110
kH: not sure
gH: not sure
tank temp: 48 (ithink)

Fish Symptoms (include full description including lesion, color, location, fish behavior):

Volume and Frequency of water changes: hmm, this is a new-ish tank about 3 months now so had a couple, and was toped up a little this sunday

Chemical Additives or Media in your tank: i'm guessing this means whats in my filter? i've just got a flval 305 on sunday.......

Tank inhabitants:
1 GSP puffer (2 1/2 inchs), 6 small daneos, two brissel nose plecs one very baby, cymease fighter, 2 baby angels, oh and 2 drawf honey grarmey

Recent additions to your tank (living or decoration):
new filter on sunday, which i think has thown eveything up in the air, i put some new plaints in as the honiys and puffer love them turined filter bk on and nothing happened to had ot rush out and get a new one!!

Exposure to chemicals:
??


I've just got home fomr work and had a look, and the yellow angel has acherly servived the day/night but is still sitting on the bottom leaning agest a plaint.


oh and BTW i'm the misses

hmmm. if the tanks 3 months old you should of done about 10 water changes by now atleast so bad water conditions will be an issue.

tank temp should be about 27 degrees so im not sure where 48 came from? u shud probably check that lol.


whan doing water changes do you add dechlorinator? theres nasty things in tap water that dechlor removes.

have you still got the old filter?

all the bacteria your tank needs was stored in that so when you get a new filter your meant to put some of the filter sponges in the new filter from the old one.

otherwise your tank will cycle again.


stocking is a little off too but id sort the above first.


also you failed to say how big the tank was and symptoms of the fish?

 

[Anthony!]

OK, I'd say imo, that the gsp, if not the source of the problem, will eventually kill everything you have in that tank. I'd say rehome the pufferfish, they need brackish water anyways, do an immediate water change, maybe 40% and get the angel and Betta in quarantine tanks. They could've been picked on by the puffer, IMO the angelfish was hurt by the pufferfish, and the betta got into a fight with the gouramies. Bettas and gouramies shouldn't happen.

 

[dawie22]

looking at the tank (as i set it up) the puffer is perfectly happy with the other fish, more scared of them than the other way round.

water changers (or "top ups as the misses calls them) are about 10-15% with RO water, the new pump was an emergancy instulation because the internal one died sun afterneen, the old medai from the last filter has been transfered to "kick" start the other one (bio wise) .

the tank is a 40 leter tank and the temp if no where near 40, its 26 (as of monday) and rarely changes much (apert from in very hot waether), the the only things to have been added to the tank are as follows:

new filter (sunday)
RO water (again sunday)
and the angels and fighter (sunday also)

i suspect that the to fish are suffering from stress as they were added befor the the pump change and to move them to a seperate tank would be even more stress full (thats my opinion)....

Explenation for high nitrate== nice and easy== OVER FEEDING, i have pointed this out and explained, but by posting here i hope that she thinks im not mad....

thank you for my little ramble,

darv

 

[Dark_Lenne]

Im thinking that too. For a start, definatly never mix Bettas and Gouramis. My friend had two Honey Gouramis in my tank, and I had to seperate my Betta from the rest of the fish... He was not best pleased, but I would not risk it even for a day.

That Puffer fish is a bully. They are famous for it. They don't mix well in community tanks and become very aggressive when not in species only tanks.

You should remove it.

If you can't rehouse the Betta you would have to make a choice. The Betta or the Gouramis. If not, the Betta will end up dead. I garauntee that.

 

[a_lost_blonde]

Im thinking that too. For a start, definatly never mix Bettas and Gouramis. My friend had two Honey Gouramis in my tank, and I had to seperate my Betta from the rest of the fish... He was not best pleased, but I would not risk it even for a day.

That Puffer fish is a bully. They are famous for it. They don't mix well in community tanks and become very aggressive when not in species only tanks.

You should remove it.

If you can't rehouse the Betta you would have to make a choice. The Betta or the Gouramis. If not, the Betta will end up dead. I garauntee that.

sorry but why is EVERYONE so agest my puffer?!?!? she is lovely and dosnt take a blind bit of notice ot any of the other fish!! if something comes towards her she swims the other way!!

and my water levels were doing great before the filter went and as darv said we put the old spones ect from the old fiter ointo the new to try help it along!

 

[a_lost_blonde]

Im thinking that too. For a start, definatly never mix Bettas and Gouramis. My friend had two Honey Gouramis in my tank, and I had to seperate my Betta from the rest of the fish... He was not best pleased, but I would not risk it even for a day.

That Puffer fish is a bully. They are famous for it. They don't mix well in community tanks and become very aggressive when not in species only tanks.

You should remove it.

If you can't rehouse the Betta you would have to make a choice. The Betta or the Gouramis. If not, the Betta will end up dead. I garauntee that.

sorry but why is EVERYONE so agest my puffer?!?!? she is lovely and dosnt take a blind bit of notice ot any of the other fish!! if something comes towards her she swims the other way!!

and my water levels were doing great before the filter went and as darv said we put the old spones ect from the old fiter ointo the new to try help it along!

and adding ot the above! now what?
u've toldme i have bas taist in fish, even though they're all veyr happy to geather and nohtings been eaten!

but my poor angel is sitting on the bottom next ot a plaint, looking tbh drunk. so could the tings that keeps her up right have gone?

and a cymease ifter which keps doing the same only upright.......i'm gunna get some more pure water form shop tomorrow on my home from work and do a water change, but up untill now leavels have been wonderfull

 

[confusion]

you need to do some large water changes. Adding RO water is good, but you aren't getting rid of DOCs (dissolved organic compounds) and nitrates.

Because you have a mini cycle going on, you'll need to do some urgent water changes now anyhow. That mini cycle is likely what's causing your angel and siamise fighter's stress. the only way to handle it now is with water changes.

I'm not going to knock the puffer. All fish are different. The people here have experience or have read that puffers are overly aggressive and they're trying to help. Certainly it's not a 100% rule - possibly there is some mitigating thing happing in your tank, like neing in FW keeps it slightly uncomfortable and hence it does not have the energy to be aggressive - don't know. I'm not a puffer guy.

 

[a_lost_blonde]

you need to do some large water changes. Adding RO water is good, but you aren't getting rid of DOCs (dissolved organic compounds) and nitrates.

Because you have a mini cycle going on, you'll need to do some urgent water changes now anyhow. That mini cycle is likely what's causing your angel and siamise fighter's stress. the only way to handle it now is with water changes.

I'm not going to knock the puffer. All fish are different. The people here have experience or have read that puffers are overly aggressive and they're trying to help. Certainly it's not a 100% rule - possibly there is some mitigating thing happing in your tank, like neing in FW keeps it slightly uncomfortable and hence it does not have the energy to be aggressive - don't know. I'm not a puffer guy.

my puffer is very lively lol! well untill dinner time and then she'll eat ot much lol.

But thank you i relize some have had bad exspeances.

I'm gunna get some more RO water on my way home, should i try move the angel so it's up right again? and what about food for it?

cheers

 

[sparklefuzz]

I don't think moving the angel will help, it will get up if it wants to, or if it can... more to the point.

I wouldn't worry about RO water, I would do a 30% - 50% change AS SOON AS POSSIBLE using tap water with dechlorinator, make sure the temperature is the same as your tankwater. This will reduce your nitrates straight away, which is essential if you want to keep your fish alive..

I'd leave the feeding for now, it won't hurt them for a day or so, or try small amounts of something it has eaten since you got it.

 

[OohFeeshy]

It's pretty obvious what your problems are, but evidently you do not care about the welfare of your fish as you are ignoring everything people have been telling you. If you don't want to accept your problems, son't ask about them.

nitrite:0.3
nitrate:110

Water quality is an issue, nitrate is too high and nitrite should be 0. By adding more fish to a tank with Old Tank Syndrome (through neglect) you have caused a mini-cycle.

Volume and Frequency of water changes: hmm, this is a new-ish tank about 3 months now so had a couple, and was toped up a little this sunday

Again, you should be doing 25% water changes every week. Not every month.

Tank inhabitants:
1 GSP puffer (2 1/2 inchs), 6 small daneos, two brissel nose plecs one very baby, cymease fighter, 2 baby angels, oh and 2 drawf honey grarmey

You GSP should be in a brackish tank. That is the main problem, apart from aggression issues (which probably will happen, just becasue they haven't yet doesn't mean they won't). Probably issues with the betta, inc. fin nipping from other fish to him, and aggrssion from him to the other fish.

the tank is a 40 leter tank and the temp if no where near 40, its 26 (as of monday) and rarely changes much (apert from in very hot waether), the the only things to have been added to the tank are as follows: p

So, a 40l tank? Not gallons? If that's the case, the only fish you could possibly keep would be either the gouramis or the betta. It is too small for any of the other fish.

i suspect that the to fish are suffering from stress as they were added befor the the pump change and to move them to a seperate tank would be even more stress full (thats my opinion)....

I think 'stress' is a bit of an understatement... Bad water quality, compatability, tank size, and most likely other things not being taken into account.

Explanation for high nitrate== nice and easy== OVER FEEDING, i have pointed this out and explained, but by posting here i hope that she thinks im not mad....

I think it's a lot more than that... But I wonder why you are still overfeeding even though you know full well it is poisoning your fish...

sorry but why is EVERYONE so agest my puffer?!?!? she is lovely and dosnt take a blind bit of notice ot any of the other fish!! if something comes towards her she swims the other way!!

We're not against the puffer, we're against how you are keeping it.

and my water levels were doing great before the filter went and as darv said we put the old spones ect from the old fiter ointo the new to try help it along!

I doubt that if your feeding and water changing regime is as has already been said.

u've toldme i have bas taist in fish

No, we've told you you aren't keeping them properly and how to remedy that... And to research what you buy (if you had you wouldn't have ended up with the puffer).

even though they're all veyr happy to geather and nohtings been eaten!

Yet. It will do eventally.

 

[sparklefuzz]

^^ Thats what I was trying to say.