Purchasing A Used Tank

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Hi, I have been looking at used 90 gallon tanks to buy. Almost every one that I have looked at, the silicone is starting to peel away from the glass. Some were really bad. I looked at one today that I really like BUT. You have four vertical seams and 8 edges of silicone meeting the glass. One of these edges is starting to peel away from the glass. It is only peeled back about 1/8" for about 5" long and only where the silicone was smeared thinner and further from the glass than the other seams. There is visible algae between the silicone and the glass in this area. The tank is an AGA brand. The tank is 5 years old.

My question is - is this something I need to worry about and should not buy the tank because of this or is this normal.

I have only owned one tank in my life and bought it brand new, it is a 29 tall and only 2 years old but I don't have any silicone peeling. I would love to buy new now, but can not afford it. But I also can't afford to buy someone else's junk.

Thanks in advance for any advice.
 
There are probably some experts here who will see this and respond, but you might also post the same info over in the hardware forum (hardware and DIY section) and see what advice you can get there too.

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if you're a bit handy at DIY it's not that hard to fix it, you basically peel the silicone off, remove the panel and silicone it back into place.

you buy aquarium specific silicone for the job for a few quid.

rabbut will be able to do a good write up of the process for you no doubt!

depends how much you trust your handywork though, can ruin your carpets if you get it wrong!
 
whilst were on the subject, how long do tank seals last for?

ive got a 60litre tank from ELITE and its upstairs in my bedroom and last thing i'd want is a leak
 
whilst were on the subject, how long do tank seals last for?

ive got a 60litre tank from ELITE and its upstairs in my bedroom and last thing i'd want is a leak

hard one this. some last for tens of years, some, like my Rio 180, last 3 or so. but if you live in a "soft/acidic" water area, the seals will not last as long. it is often what has happened to the tank, whilst it has no water in it, that effects its life.
i own 5 aquaria, from 20 to 50 gallons. none were new, and i have had one split. so it 20% failure rate, for me, on second hand tanks. I'm not sure that is representative though. probably just my domb luck.

some do as Miss Wiggle says, though there is no such thing as "Aquarium specific" silicone. providing it says its safe for aquaria, it is, whatever it is sold for. often people do not remove the section of glass, though it would give more peace of mind, they simply remove the beading, and replace it, with fresh silicone.
 
your quite right boboboy if you know what your looking for you can get silicone from the DIY shop that is aquarium safe, but it won't tell you that it is, so for a lot of people it's easier to just get the one from the LFS that they know is the right stuff, it's not vastly more expensive anyway.
 
your quite right boboboy if you know what your looking for you can get silicone from the DIY shop that is aquarium safe, but it won't tell you that it is, so for a lot of people it's easier to just get the one from the LFS that they know is the right stuff, it's not vastly more expensive anyway.

indeed so, but replacing a 4x2x2 section of aquaria glass, takes quite some silicone. at LFS prices, it adds a massive chunk to the repair bill. the stuff in the LFS is often 10x the price you would pay at B&Q. and, usually, if you look at the label, made by the same firm.
 
i can't remember what the criteria are for getting the right sorts of silicone from a DIY shop, if you know them then can you post them up here boboboy so then people can make the choice for themselves. :good:
 
Well, I am more than handy as I have been building homes and race cars for over 25 years. While I trust my welding to save my life in a 140 mph crash, not sure I trust my aquarium re-building skills to save my living room and fish. Most of all, I don't even want the hassle of having to rebuild it or worry about it.

But my initial thoughts were if it is starting to peel now, it is not going to get any better, but then again it is only where the silicone is very thin.

Someone asked about area and water conditions. I am not sure of the water conditions, but the area is Michigan and our water source is Detroit, which I have heard is supposed to have excellent water quality. Of course water quality to a human might not be the same to a fish or a tank??

Am I being too picky or worrying too much or is this normal?

Thanks
 
if you're a bit handy at DIY it's not that hard to fix it, you basically peel the silicone off, remove the panel and silicone it back into place.

you buy aquarium specific silicone for the job for a few quid.

rabbut will be able to do a good write up of the process for you no doubt!

depends how much you trust your handywork though, can ruin your carpets if you get it wrong!


MW, my intent here is to politely object to "it's not that hard to fix it". I apologize in advance if anything I say appears harsh. Again that is not my intent.

IMO, "it's not that hard to fix it" is a subjective statement. I have, apparently successfully, resealed an old 22 gallon aquarium. I love that aquarium and am glad I did it. From that experience, and my experiences painting my house (I know this seems unrelated, I'll explain later), a successful reseal is time consuming and difficult. It won't stop my from doing it again. I just won't undertake it lightly as it is time consuming and IMO requires a respirator.

IMO, the success of any application of a liquid/paste that will be relied upon to harden and seal a surface is highly dependent upon preparation. If the underlying surface isn't dry, clean and stable, whatever is applied to will fail to seal sooner rather than later. Removing all of the old silicone and drying the joints will take time. The effort becomes harder the larger the aquarium. I estimate that surface prep on my 22 gallon was 10 hours. Removing the silicone happened in two phases, first was the intial removal which has to be done carefully to not scratch or crack the glass. Left behind were very thin and patchy layers of silicone that I could more feel than see. Finding and removing these took about 3 of that 10 hours. Then the surface has to be cleaned, not difficult but the surface has to be dry before applying the new silicone. I waited three days, keeping the tank in a heated room. Applying the silicone is a bit of a skill. One has to work quickly as the initial setting happens quickly and it need to be smoothed and pressed into place. This is where the respirator is important. The acidic gas burns. I started without the respirator and quickly regretted it. Then there is a seven day wait for the silicone to fully cure and then I tested the tank for seven days before relying on the seal to hold.

Maybe I am doing more work than is necessary but here is where my painting experience comes in. I get 10 years out of an exterior paint job. My neighbors get three. The difference is in the prep and application. I thoroughly clean and caulk the surface and then brush/roll the proper product(primer and paint). My neighbors pay a contractor who will maybe hose the surface and do some spot priming before spray painting with maybe a backroll. As I said, I get 10 years out of a paint job, they get three.

OP, don't be discouraged. Go for it. IMO though be prepared to do a thorough prep and definitely use a respirator when applying the silicone. On a 90 gallon tank, I would consider having a helper to apply the silicone, one to apply it with the other following and smoothing it. Practice the application on a smaller tank first. You don't have to do an interior seal. Practice on one of the back exterior seals so you have a feel for how fast the caulk cures and how messy the application and smoothing is. (I can be a bit anal and also sealed all of my exterior joints.

As I said, go for it. I am glad I resealed my 22. If I had the time, there is an 84 gallon locally that needs a resealed than can be had at a good price. I just don't have the time right now.

And definitely use a respirator when doing a large area of silicone.

Good luck. IMO, it is a lot of work but well worth it. Go for it.
 
if you're a bit handy at DIY it's not that hard to fix it, you basically peel the silicone off, remove the panel and silicone it back into place.

you buy aquarium specific silicone for the job for a few quid.

rabbut will be able to do a good write up of the process for you no doubt!

depends how much you trust your handywork though, can ruin your carpets if you get it wrong!

IMO, "it's not that hard to fix it" is a subjective statement.

it is indeed, which is why that sentence starts with the wor 'If' ;)

No offence taken though and thanks for the good detailed write up.
 
I'll move this thread over to the Hardware and DIY section for you. :D
 
if you're a bit handy at DIY it's not that hard to fix it, you basically peel the silicone off, remove the panel and silicone it back into place.

you buy aquarium specific silicone for the job for a few quid.

rabbut will be able to do a good write up of the process for you no doubt!

depends how much you trust your handywork though, can ruin your carpets if you get it wrong!


MW, my intent here is to politely object to "it's not that hard to fix it". I apologize in advance if anything I say appears harsh. Again that is not my intent.

IMO, "it's not that hard to fix it" is a subjective statement. I have, apparently successfully, resealed an old 22 gallon aquarium. I love that aquarium and am glad I did it. From that experience, and my experiences painting my house (I know this seems unrelated, I'll explain later), a successful reseal is time consuming and difficult. It won't stop my from doing it again. I just won't undertake it lightly as it is time consuming and IMO requires a respirator.

IMO, the success of any application of a liquid/paste that will be relied upon to harden and seal a surface is highly dependent upon preparation. If the underlying surface isn't dry, clean and stable, whatever is applied to will fail to seal sooner rather than later. Removing all of the old silicone and drying the joints will take time. The effort becomes harder the larger the aquarium. I estimate that surface prep on my 22 gallon was 10 hours. Removing the silicone happened in two phases, first was the intial removal which has to be done carefully to not scratch or crack the glass. Left behind were very thin and patchy layers of silicone that I could more feel than see. Finding and removing these took about 3 of that 10 hours. Then the surface has to be cleaned, not difficult but the surface has to be dry before applying the new silicone. I waited three days, keeping the tank in a heated room. Applying the silicone is a bit of a skill. One has to work quickly as the initial setting happens quickly and it need to be smoothed and pressed into place. This is where the respirator is important. The acidic gas burns. I started without the respirator and quickly regretted it. Then there is a seven day wait for the silicone to fully cure and then I tested the tank for seven days before relying on the seal to hold.

Maybe I am doing more work than is necessary but here is where my painting experience comes in. I get 10 years out of an exterior paint job. My neighbors get three. The difference is in the prep and application. I thoroughly clean and caulk the surface and then brush/roll the proper product(primer and paint). My neighbors pay a contractor who will maybe hose the surface and do some spot priming before spray painting with maybe a backroll. As I said, I get 10 years out of a paint job, they get three.

OP, don't be discouraged. Go for it. IMO though be prepared to do a thorough prep and definitely use a respirator when applying the silicone. On a 90 gallon tank, I would consider having a helper to apply the silicone, one to apply it with the other following and smoothing it. Practice the application on a smaller tank first. You don't have to do an interior seal. Practice on one of the back exterior seals so you have a feel for how fast the caulk cures and how messy the application and smoothing is. (I can be a bit anal and also sealed all of my exterior joints.

As I said, go for it. I am glad I resealed my 22. If I had the time, there is an 84 gallon locally that needs a resealed than can be had at a good price. I just don't have the time right now.

And definitely use a respirator when doing a large area of silicone.

Good luck. IMO, it is a lot of work but well worth it. Go for it.

great advice and, warnings :good: :good: :good:

i built a wooden frame to hold the aquarium. both to keep everything straight, and to ensure i could do the job, myself. i known people in the past, who have had failures because the tank was siliconed, slightly out of true.
it is not a job for the feint of heart, if you have the slightest doubt, DON'T EVEN TRY!
 
Hey Everyone, thanks for the great input, but i don't want to try fixing a bad tank, i don't have the time or desire. I am trying not to buy a bad tank. I was hoping for some input of whether I should buy this tank based on the described issue.
 
If the silicone is peeling without the tank being that old, 5 years, then the person that built the tank origionally did not do the prep right... A well sealed tank should do 20-30 years without issues assuming the silicone is a good brand, a poorly done one will usualy do less than 10 :/ If the waterproofing sealant is peeling, the structural stuff will be failing shortly after...

Realy, this is a re-build job. What dimentions are the tank, and how thick is the glass. You don't want to learn how to re-build a tank for the first time with a 90g. Usualy, you start with little ones and work up. Unless this 90g is under 18" tall and using 10mm glass and not braceless (unlikely for ADA, they would likely use 6mm for such an tank) I would advise you to get a pro to re-build it for you due to the risk of failure. A tank of 90g has a lot of pressure on it's seams, and if a seal is slightly blemished on glass too thin, the joint will fail, and that's 90g on the floor, usualy very quickly :crazy:

Post back the dimentions and glass thickness if it is thicker glass and/or not as tall, and I'll give you a how-to guide :good: The easiest method of building varies by tank size e.t.c :good:

All the best
Rabbut (Builds tanks for people on-the-side ;) )
 

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