Punk Rock

[SLC Flyfishing]

If you frequent this part of the forum you'll know that I'm a huge Punker, (well at least with my music selection and attitude) I've grown too old to really pull off the mohawk these days. But I'm wondering what everyone in here thinks is Punk and what they think about Punk as a genre. Then if you don't like Punk I want you to make a suggestion for me of another type of music, name a band and a song and I'll give it a try, maybe we can break my loyalties to my favorite type of music.

Oi Oi

SLC

 

[Ami]

SLC - punk rock confuses me because the term is used to describe a continually changing genre. Although, that does give lots of room for different bands you might like!

I've recently read a little about punk rock, having come to it via other groups, and think that, for me at least, it can be split into subgenres:

• Protopunk - stuff like the Who, the Stooges, the New York Dolls and David Bowie, which might also come under other genres like glam rock or not really be considered punk by a lot of people
• Punk - the Ramones, the Sex Pistols, the Clash, Siouxsie and the Banshees, which I am sure you have covered in depth!
• Punk rock - with an incorporation of other types of music such as Ska, we have the Rolling Stones, Blondie etc
• 'New Wave' - the Police, even Duran Duran at times
• Hardcore Punk - the Dead Kennedy's etc
• Skate Punk - US Bombs, The Hunns, Blink 182 (although somtimes termed pop punk!)
• Emo - Embrace, Rites of Spring (of course, Emo then went off on it's own tangent...)
• Oi! (which you obviously like ) - the Cockney Rejects, Sham 69 etc (gotta love Gary Bushell for that name!)
• Post Punk - Joy Division and the Fall etc
• Alternative Rock - Nirvana, the Pixies, Sonic Youth, Green Day, the Offspring
• Pop punky type of thingie (can't think of a name!) - The Yeah Yeah Yeahs, the Libertines, the Hives, Panic at the Disco, Fall Out Boy and Jet (who I have only just discovered thanks to an appearance on Jonathan Ross on Friday!) could all be considered by some to be alternative / punk rock.

As you can see, my knowledge is a tad limited and mostly comes about from curiousity as a result of groups that have been suggested to me by Fella (see Panic at the Disco and Fall Out Boy as examples).

Then there's one of my favourite groups of all time, Mogwai, who I can only describe as alternative with punk rock influences! Come On Die Young is an excellent album and I'd recommend it as a good starting point if you are interested in hearing some of their tracks.

 

[raptorrex]

SLC - punk rock confuses

yep i think it does. The Rolling Stones PUNK lol

I never really got Punk at the time. I was a country boy, from very rural Cumbria. I liked Blondie But then which 18 year old boy didn't? Ian Dury, Sham 69 and the Police, were firm favourites a bit later. Around 1980 i met Glyn Barber, a member of the Punk band Cron GEN. they had th biggest selling Independent single in 81/2 out selling Depesh Mod ( a band i detest, i once set their system up, they had 3 mics on stage and only 1 was live!!!!!! lol.) The ruts were very close to my heart, through, West One being a candidate, for my all time number 1 single. I sort of grew into Elvis Costello. Bob Geldof wrote some fantastic songs, it's just a shame HE chose to sing them! IMO. I also had the opportunity to see, both the Rolling Stones and the Police in the 100 Club Oxford St, a very small Jazz Club, and i mean small. I worked Crew on the Britania Waves The Rules Tour!! OMG dealing with the Exploited!!! And one from left field, I have very high regard for Max Splodge. he may have been a total pillo£, but boy could he sing. on his Album, In search of seven Golden Gussets, I kid you not, the status of the people who came in to lay down vocals or instrumentals, was enough to leave you with wet pants.lol The last time i saw him, he was running down Stoke Newington high street, being chased by about 8 people, he never learned, but that was punk!

 

[DiscusKeeper403]

Honestly I have to say I don't like punk. I used to be into the Sex Pistols and Ramones and the Clash but not anymore. I was going through a stage where I liked Megadeth and Metallica. Then I moved onto Rap. Since Metal is alot closer of a Genre to punk ill give you afew songs to try.

Megadeth-Symphony of Destruction (the song not album)
Metallica- Holier than thou
Sepultura-refuse/resist

Some other stuff:
Rage Agianst The Machines

 

[vancouver]

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The only thing I used to listen to that could be considered punk was millencolin or pennywise.

 

[Ami]

yep i think it does. The Rolling Stones PUNK lol

Nah, I was talking about how 'punk rock' as a term was confusing because the types of music included were continually changing and that for me, from what I'd recently read, it seemed easier to split it into sub genres.

The Stones were used as an example of a band that I felt could fit into the 'punk rock' genre - I wasn't saying that they were a punk band. Their useage of various styles of music from R&B, through country, to their more psychadelic tastes.

In fact, the term punk rock was first coined in a 1971 article in Creem and was then adopted by many music journos and the industry as a whole. Lenny Kaye (from the Patti Smith Group) used the term in the footnotes to 'Nuggets', to describe the music of various 1960's garage and psychadelic rock groups that had had an influence on the emerging punk rock. The attitudes, violence, aggressive styles, overt sexuality and political voices of these groups, including the Rolling Stones, are thought to be a major influence on punk rock.

And that is why I think that they can be used, at least in some instances, as an example of the changing forms of punk rock.

Ooh, Rage Against the Machine, Henry Rollins (Disconnect is brilliant - "Don't like to think to much, it makes me think to much...") and then you need to wander off in the direction of the Beastie Boys (via their track Sabotage), which is what I did.

I love the way listening to one song by an artist can send your musical tastes off on a complete tangent

 

[andywg]

The Stones as punk? What next? Classing Stravinsky as a Baroque composer because he composed something in the same key as Monteverdi once did? Or how about putting Slipknot in as electropop because they have some samples in their music and have had a modicum of popular success?

For my mind punk is easy to define: it is (often slightly swifter) rock music with any individual brilliance (such as amazing solos, or complex metal riffs) taken out so that people without the tenacity and desire to actually learn how to play an instrument can play some gigs.

 

[SLC Flyfishing]

The Stones as punk? What next? Classing Stravinsky as a Baroque composer because he composed something in the same key as Monteverdi once did? Or how about putting Slipknot in as electropop because they have some samples in their music and have had a modicum of popular success?

For my mind punk is easy to define: it is (often slightly swifter) rock music with any individual brilliance (such as amazing solos, or complex metal riffs) taken out so that people without the tenacity and desire to actually learn how to play an instrument can play some gigs.

All the amazing solos are taken out so people who don't know how to play can do a show that's true, but I tend to lean towards punk being a more user friendly honest do-it-yourself type thing, that's why I love it so much.

Discus Lova, I used to really enjoy some of the metal you suggested, I still own all of the Rage against the Machine albums but the thing is, Rage started out as a hardcore punk band from Washington D.C. and I really think that as time went on their music got too "manufactured" for me. Kinda like the singer would just find something political to rant about while his guitarist played some amazing tracks, talented-yes but entertaining-no, it all sounds the same. Yes Street Punk does too but it's a formula that has (at least for me) so much more honesty and feeling put into it.

SLC

 

[Ami]

For my mind punk is easy to define...

Yes, it would have to be for your mind

Again - I didn't say that the Stones were a punk band. Just that in my opinion certain elements of their music and attitudes could result in them being included in a 'punk rock' genre and that they were considered by others to have influenced the punk rock movement.

And yes, I have decided to insult you in my normal manner instead of arguing with you because it's so much easier

Ami knows that Andy is always right so it saves time to just agree...

 

[SLC Flyfishing]

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Again - I didn't say that the Stones were a punk band. Just that in my opinion certain elements of their music and attitudes could result in them being included in a 'punk rock' genre and that they were considered by others to have influenced the punk rock movement.
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Yes it's true, if you have ever seen westway to the world or any other biography of the clash you'll know that they list the stones, animals, even the beatles as inspiration for the attitude of their music. They were also heavily inspired by the Jamaican music scene that was blooming in london in the mid to late 70's

SLC

 

[Nina]

Yes it's true, if you have ever seen westway to the world or any other biography of the clash you'll know that they list the stones, animals, even the beatles as inspiration for the attitude of their music. They were also heavily inspired by the Jamaican music scene that was blooming in london in the mid to late 70's

SLC

Slash lists the Beatles as a large influence on his guitar playing, that does not make GnR Merseybeat.

 

[afireinside]

Punk is a great kind of music, but I really like Hardcore Punk the most.

Top 3 Favorite Real Punk Bands:
The Ramones
Sex Pistols
The Clash

 

[SLC Flyfishing]

Yes it's true, if you have ever seen westway to the world or any other biography of the clash you'll know that they list the stones, animals, even the beatles as inspiration for the attitude of their music. They were also heavily inspired by the Jamaican music scene that was blooming in london in the mid to late 70's

SLC

Slash lists the Beatles as a large influence on his guitar playing, that does not make GnR Merseybeat.

Maybe, but I'd more likely call the Beatles pre-pre-metal even though their sound wasn't metal. They had some of the hidden meanings in their lyrics and also some of the rebeliousness that attracts purveyors of metal.

SLC

 

[Leopard-danio]

I'm into Punk/Rock and Rock.

Fall Out Boy totally rule along with Panic! at the disco

 

[SLC Flyfishing]

I'm into Punk/Rock and Rock.

Fall Out Boy totally rule along with Panic! at the disco

Congrats but we're talking about Punk Rock here, those bands aren't really even EMO. More like the NSYNC and Backstreet Boys of the alternative radio world.

SLC