pearl gouramis

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tanganyika1001

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i got 3 pearl gouramis (or lace gouramis, whichever you prefer) recently, and was thinking about breeding them. Ive read that pH 6.8-7.2 is the best, and the male builds a bubble nest which the eggs are laid in and afterwards i should remove the female because the the male will defend his nest against everything. im guessing i have to wait until they are mature, but how can i tell when this is? also sexual differences. is the male more colourful in his sorta ventral/anal combined fin and this and his dorsal grow longer than the female? info here would be cool! thanks all
scott
 
I havnt bred them before but i will help u on which is which sex.
These are mine as folows:

Male (Not the best pic but notice his much more pronounced colours and extended fins) Also his much more pronouced red breast is a dead give away.

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Female:

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I have bred this fish several times and it is my favourite. The first thing I should say is that I have found fluctuations in pH, unless very gradual, cause more harm than good and are not necessary for breeding successfuly. My pH is 8 and none of my fish have had problems breeding. Obviously though, both fish need to be in good condition, though not necessarily fully grown, to breed easily. My suggestiong is that you seperate the pair for a week or two and spend this time conditioning them with live foods and possibly raise the temperature to around 80 deg F at this time too. Then you'll want to put the pair in a small bare tank (10 gallon works fine) with a sponge filter and some kind of floating cover - plants work best, I like duckweed because it's so hardy, but even a plastic box lid works for this. Providing a ceramic pot or similar ornament for the female to hide in until she is taken out is sometimes useful - take it out later though as it will only get in the way. One of the most essential things you will need is a tight-fitting lid, prefferably with a weak light. It helps to lower the water level and keep the sponge filter either completely turned off or powered by a very gentle pump. Once the nest is built and eggs laid, you should remove the female and then wait for the fry to become free-swimming before taking out the male. I don't usualy feed the male while he is guarding the nest and most won't eat anyway so you'd just be polluting the water. Once the fry are clearly free-swimming, you should remove the male as well and start feeding the fry on very tiny foods. They usualy require infusoria at this stage which you can grow in a jar on your window sill or using commercial liquid foods for egg layers. Many fry cannot eat even the smallest microworms at this stage but later, microworms are the best food. Baby brine shrimp work too but they have been associated with swim bladder problems which lead to death if the shells are swallowed by the developing fry. At about a week, you can turn on the sponge filter to full power and it will soon be time to fill the tank completely. Having a low water level was useful for the male to build his nest and so the fry can find food easily but it is eventualy necessary to increase the volume in order to keep water quality at it's best. Once the fry are large enough, it helps to introduce them to commercial flake foods so they become accustomed to it and don't need to be trained on to it later. At around half an inch, if you have many fry, you'll want to move them to a larger grow-out tank until they reach at least an inch - at which stage you can introduce them to a community tank or whatever you have planned.
The main problem with raising gourami fry is their minute size which means they need to be fed near-microscopic foods at first. If you have this ready and perform water changes (use a white bucket so you can see any fry you suck up an can put them back - you'll probably require a lot of patience and a glass to do this though - however, you won't need to do water changes for a while because the fry are so tiny - provided you don't feed very messy foods that is (such as egg yolk) :p) to keep water quality good, the fry should thrive and are actualy quite easy to raise.
Sexing them has already been described but I'll add that the females look deeper-bodied and wider when viewed from above than the more stream-lined males and the males have pointy, longer unpaired fins and lace-like edges to their anal fin in particular. The color in healthy individuals, however, is the most obvious difference.
Good luck with your fish!
 
sylvia said:
They usualy require infusoria at this stage which you can grow in a jar on your window sill or using commercial liquid foods for egg layers. Many fry cannot eat even the smallest microworms at this stage but later, microworms are the best food.
thanks for all the info. just a few quick questions however. you mention microworms and infusoria as foods
but i have read that microworms are not so suitable because anabantidae fry take there foods from midwater, and when the worms sink they will lose interest. what are your views on this? also ive read that culturing infusoria should be done with amphurilla snails, and that each different vegetable food they are fed produces different kinds. have you ever tried this? do you just leave a glass on the windowsill or do you need a starter "culture"?
 
I have never had problems with fry not eating microworms provided the tank is bare so they can see them and provided there are plenty of them (which applies to any food realy). If you are worried, feel free to try BBS - just be aware of the possible problems and try to avoid them. As for infusoria, I normaly either use water from a heavily planted tank or leave a jar of tank water with some lettuce inside on the window sill for as long as it takes for the water to first turn cloudy with bacteria and then clear up again with the infusoria. Also, though snails are a good way of culturing infusoria, it isn't necessary to do it like this IMO. Also, some liquid foods on offer are just pretty much infusoria food :p and if you put some of that in a jar of water and leave it in the sun you'll get the same results.
 
thanks for all the info. just a few quick questions however. you mention microworms and infusoria as foods but i have read that microworms are not so suitable because anabantidae fry take there foods from midwater, and when the worms sink they will lose interest

As Sylvia said, i also havn't had any problems with gourami fry eating microworms/infusoria (lucky i didn't have any problems becuase microworms arn't the easiest food to find around here and it would have been a huge waste of time/money tracking the cultures down :lol:).

The amount you put into the water dosn't really matter becuase whatever hasn't been eaten should be syphoned out of the tank at least daily, which is th big advantage of having a bare bottomed tank. :nod:

If you havn't read the pinned topic i wrote (and should add on to :lol:) it's avaliable here : http://www.fishforums.net/index.php?showtopic=44123 and gives some advice on breeding various species of gourami

Also, heres a link on some general live foods you can offer fish and how to culture them http://animal-world.com/encyclo/fresh/info...ommon_foods.htm

Good luck breeding them :)
 
thanks everyone. ill try when im certain i have a male and a female and i get a spare tank set up. did you know you can buy culture from ebay? i recently got some white worms from there, not bad service. thought it was kinda steep at four quid tho :/ cheers for the links!
 

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