On Line Fish Purchasing

[manofish123]

Has anyone had any experience with LiveAquaria.com as far as buying fish on line ?

 

[jkarlson]

I haven't used them personally but they are semi-local for me and have heard nothing but great reviews from other hobbyists in the area. Although they don't have the most broad selection of fish(well, for my liking anyway), if they have what you want I'd suggest them.

 

[mishmash]

<br />I haven't used them personally but they are semi-local for me and have heard nothing but great reviews but other hobbyists in the area. Although they don't have the most broad selection of fish(well, for my liking anyway), if they have what you want I'd suggest them.<br />

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Do you REALLY want to buy from somewhere that sells genetically modified fish ?

 

[crazyforcordoras]

They seem good, i want to order from them in the future.

 

[Bugdozer]

<br />I haven't used them personally but they are semi-local for me and have heard nothing but great reviews but other hobbyists in the area. Although they don't have the most broad selection of fish(well, for my liking anyway), if they have what you want I'd suggest them.<br />

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Do you REALLY want to buy from somewhere that sells genetically modified fish ?

What's so bad about the genetically modified fish they sell?

 

[crazyforcordoras]

Everyone else says theyer awesome.

 

[manofish123]

Everyone else says theyer awesome.

Modified or not - I'm ordering a few. Prices seem right and good reviews. As long as they dont swim backwards ...

 

[the_lock_man]

<br />I haven't used them personally but they are semi-local for me and have heard nothing but great reviews but other hobbyists in the area. Although they don't have the most broad selection of fish(well, for my liking anyway), if they have what you want I'd suggest them.<br />

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Do you REALLY want to buy from somewhere that sells genetically modified fish ?

What's so bad about the genetically modified fish they sell?

They aren't legal in the UK.

My personal view is that they are wrong. I'm happy for genetic modification to be used for the good of mankind (treatments for the various currently incurable diseases for instance). But to modify the already-beautiful Danio Rerio purely for the titilation of Homo Sapiens is, IMHO wrong. Pointless and wrong. There are so many brightly coloured fish available in the trade, why do you need to manufacture another one?

If they were legal in this country, I personally wouldn't buy from a retailer that stocked them, on principle, but I must admit that it would be a somewhat futile gesture.

 

[Bugdozer]

<br />I haven't used them personally but they are semi-local for me and have heard nothing but great reviews but other hobbyists in the area. Although they don't have the most broad selection of fish(well, for my liking anyway), if they have what you want I'd suggest them.<br />

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Do you REALLY want to buy from somewhere that sells genetically modified fish ?

What's so bad about the genetically modified fish they sell?

They aren't legal in the UK.

My personal view is that they are wrong. I'm happy for genetic modification to be used for the good of mankind (treatments for the various currently incurable diseases for instance). But to modify the already-beautiful Danio Rerio purely for the titilation of Homo Sapiens is, IMHO wrong. Pointless and wrong. There are so many brightly coloured fish available in the trade, why do you need to manufacture another one?

If they were legal in this country, I personally wouldn't buy from a retailer that stocked them, on principle, but I must admit that it would be a somewhat futile gesture.

So I presume you're also against the many fancy variants of guppies, the neon blue and sunset dwarf gouramis, some of the colour variants of the Betta etc? Because how do they differ from the Glofish? I'll tell you.
The Glofish has one particular part of its DNA selectively modified to adjust its colour, and ONLY its colour. The rest of its genetic structure is left unchanged. Effectively introducing a deliberate mutation.
Whereas with the other fish I mentioned, man sits and waits until nature produces the mutation for him, a random process that may take many years. And then the fish with the mutation is selectively inbred, so that not only the part of the DNA responsible for the colour variance is passed on, but all its other genetic information as well. And as that is mixed with itself over generations you end up with fish with weakened immune systems, less disease resistance etc. So if the natural colour mutation carries with it some sort of problem that is not visible to the aquarist, that gets propagated too. Do you wish to deny the common opinion that breeding for colour has weakened many popular strains of fish?
A mutation is a mutation, whether or not it originated with man or nature. The fact is that a fish that is mutated by nature is more likely to be unhealthy than a fish mutated by man for colour, because man can choose what aspect of the fish to change and leave the rest of it untouched. Nature can't.

 

[the_lock_man]

Blimey, that was a rather aggressive response. Please note that I'm only giving my opinion, and I made that quite clear in my post.

nature produces the mutation for him,

That, for me, is the difference. There is no way that nature could have ever produced the Glofish(R) because the gene used to produce the colour comes, if I understand it correctly, from a jellyfish. Nature, left long enough, could have produced those variations in guppies, gouramis, fighters, etc., if that's the way that it went. Which is why your sarcastic presumption is wrong (as you've probably yourself predicted).

That is my opinion. If it differs from yours, which it clearly does, there is nothing wrong with that. But please have the courtesy to respect it as such.

 

[Mauigirl]

I personally wouldn't buy, say , Blood red Parrot or any of the malformed genetically modified fish for obvious reasons.
Nor would I buy any that were created purely for profit.
I would have to think long and hard on the Glofish..

But to completely discount a supplier simply because they offered these is a bit ridiculous.

The supplier to your LFS likely has em on the list so in a semi removed way you are still doing business with an offender even if your particular store chooses not to stock them.

edit: well maybe not on the list in the UK. but glofish were not created purely for profit. but may have been best left in the lab.

 

[brian1]

A lot of what you say is true,Bugdozer, but it is down to the individual what he or she want's and believes in, this is a fact of life and choice, everyone has their own opinion or it would be quite boring...........

 

[the_lock_man]

I personally wouldn't buy, say , Blood red Parrot or any of the malformed genetically modified fish for obvious reasons.
Nor would I buy any that were created purely for profit.
I would have to think long and hard on the Glofish..

But to completely discount a supplier simply because they offered these is a bit ridiculous.

The supplier to your LFS likely has em on the list so in a semi removed way you are still doing business with an offender even if your particular store chooses not to stock them.

As stated previoulsy, my LFS' suppliers won't have them on their list, as they are not legal in the UK.

What was the purpose for inventing the Glofish(R)?

 

[Mauigirl]

I personally wouldn't buy, say , Blood red Parrot or any of the malformed genetically modified fish for obvious reasons.
Nor would I buy any that were created purely for profit.
I would have to think long and hard on the Glofish..

But to completely discount a supplier simply because they offered these is a bit ridiculous.

The supplier to your LFS likely has em on the list so in a semi removed way you are still doing business with an offender even if your particular store chooses not to stock them.

As stated previoulsy, my LFS' suppliers won't have them on their list, as they are not legal in the UK.

What was the purpose for inventing the Glofish(R)?

glofish faq

I was trying to edit my original post but you beat getting your up.
I'm not defending modification for profit but glofish are a byproduct of research.. I still likely wouldn't buy em

 

[Alm0stAwesome]

It was for medical research to be applied to humans, there's a thread on it in the scientific section I think.