OMG MY IRRIDESCENT IS DYING !!!

[benny0505]

i woke up this morning and my irridescent was belly up in the tank not moving.....plus he had white all over him and his eyes....here is a pick ....my tank hasnt cycled yet and the petstore told me that it was normal...PLZ HELP ME

 

[WILDER]

Poor thing, i think you need to find another hobby as fish are not for you, you are not being a responsible fish owner, and the white stuff on the body if it was fluffy could of been columnaris.

 

[benny0505]

WHAT DO YOU MEAN NOT RESPONSIBLE... I DO EVERYTHING FOR THESE FISH... I CANT CONTROL IF IT IS SICK... I'M ASKING FOR HELP. NOT YOUR STUPID COMMENTS.... THANKS FOR NOTHING

 

[WILDER]

If you cared about them fish you would of done your research in the first place, the tank isn't cycled so fish will die end of story.

 

[Tokis-Phoenix]

Wake up benny!!! I know i for one have told you your fish will keep dying until the moment you rehome them or get them a bigger tank ! It is pointless trying to help you out with your current situation until you start making big changes, like giving them the size tanks they need and getting rid of the completely unsuitable one!

"This why you need to get a larger tank;

Red belly piranha=12inchs, looking at about a 90gal tank just for them.

http/badmanstropicalfish.com/profiles/profile7.html

Irredescent shark=3ft long, minimum 200gal

http/www.aquariacentral.com/species/db.c...&view_records=1

Bala shark=16inchs max, looking at around 75gals

http/fish.mongabay.com/species/Balantioc...lanopterus.html

(they also prefer to be kept in groups of 3)
(can't help you with the whale fish)

Convicts=5-6inchs, 20gals.

So we are talking about alot of gallons and the piranhas are going to need their own large tank! Im not sure on the whale fish, but the only fish you have that could live happily in any of your tanks is the convicts in the 30gal."

http/www.fishforums.net/index.php?showtopic=100156

I told you from the very start of your issues your fish would die, and you did not believe me and guess what? they are dying one by one. I have been telling members to lay off you, that you are doing things about rehoming your fish/getting them an adequete tank, but i think i don't see why when you lose your temper at somone who is only telling you the reality of your situation!

You bought the fish from a pet shop so you are not uncapable of taking them back to it! Stop hoarding rare and unsuitable fish- they desearve a much better home than what you can give the at current!
Water changes is all you can do to keep your fish temporarily alive, but they will die anyways in the conditions they are in...The whiteness is from stress and poor water quality.

 

[Boxcar Muzzdogg]

Benny, I think what the better advice would be is to get advice from a different lfs because the one your currently going to is run byu morons. For one thing irridescent sharks are very sensitive. I don't know how big your tank is but its probably not big enough for an irridescent. I'm sure unfortunately that the shark will die.

When you start again you must clean your tank and treat with meds to get rid of any pathogens that could infect new fish.

Then when you start the cycle you must either use fish that are hardy (zebra danios, platys), or do a fishless cycle.

During a cycle you must keep a close eye on water parameters and when ammonia and nitrites get too high then you must do a partial water change to keep them at tolerable levels.

Benny, I must stress do not ever listen to any advice from the store that you have gotten the shark from. They are very irresponsible. They should have given you the proper way to cycle and never should have sold you the shark. An Irridesent shark can get up to 3 feet long and is deffinitley not a beginner fish and is never a good fish for cycling a tank.

Also, when they told you the sharks behavior and illness were "normal" They straight up lied to you. DO NOT TAKE ANY ADVICE FROM THEM.

After you have cleaned and treated your tank, come back and post and everyone will be more than happy to help you cycle the tank.

 

[AllusiveLife]

How about having an American help you, after all this English person was very negative... (actually, most of the English people I've met were really nice )

1. To hope for a better success rate you must cycle your tank.

And did the pet store say it was normal that your fish was dying because of you not cycling your tank? Or did they inform you that it was normal and not to worry about the fish dying?

If you asked the petshop if it was alright for you to stock your tank with fish even though it wasn't completely cycled, and they said yes, Then they are partially to blame. If you didn't ask, it seems as if you got impatient, (I get impatient all the time) I hate waiting, especially to put fish in a tank.

I don't believe you had the intention of making your fish sick, nor do I believe you had the intention of harming the fish. I think you got excited and wanted to buy fish like any other person who pretty much buys fish. As of right now with your fish being in there, and it pooping and living in there, it's helping the tank cycle faster compared to not having any fish in there to begin with.

While adding water, did you medicate it? All you can really do right now is turn off the light and hope for the best. (imo)


Anyways, I hope everything turns out...

 

[Tokis-Phoenix]

Benny, I think what the better advice would be is to get advice from a different lfs because the one your currently going to is run byu morons. For one thing irridescent sharks are very sensitive. I don't know how big your tank is but its probably not big enough for an irridescent. I'm sure unfortunately that the shark will die.

His fish are spaced out between a 30gal and 15gal, red belly piranhas in the 15gal amoungst some.

He has been told about cycling and how to do it.
He has been told about his overstocking and what to do about it.
He has been told about water changes and test kits.
He has been told about how unsuitable practically all of his fish are.

I know i and other members have told all these things, and there is nothing else that can be done about his situation until he starts making big changes.

 

[benny0505]

i dont understand.....how can u guys make statements like this...
i just hope that when something close to you dies.....people are gonna blast you like you guys did.....

4 different fish stores told me that 2 small irridescent sharks were ok for a 30 gal ......I KNOW EVENTUALLY ILL HAVE TO GET A NEW ONE...DUUUUUHHHHH...... ALL I WANTED TO KNOW WAS WHY IS ONLY 1 SHARK IS LIKE THIS.....EVERYONE ELSE IS FINE......
I ALWAYS CHECK MY WATER.......DO DAILY WATER CHANGES ETC ETC.....I DUNNO WHAT TO DO....THX A LOT GUYS FOR ENCOURAGING ME LIKE THIS.......

 

[MAM]

This isn't the same shark that was injured before by chance is it?

 

[AllusiveLife]

Benny, nothing personal but if you've had an encounter with them before on similar subjects, and they offered you good advice and you come back and making it evident that you ignored what they said. I mean, how would you take that?


Personally, all those fish together with the size they get, you really don't have a big enough tank. Because it seems as if you're going by the size they are individually and assuming the tank is right for them now. When in fact you need to add up all the fish in size, and calculate from there. Your best bet is to get a larger tank now, because you either get one huge giant tank, or get multiple tanks that fit the size of each fish. Because one of those sharks alone would more than likely take up a 125 gallon. And placing two inside of there would cram the tank in general. (you see what's being said?)

 

[hello kitty]

cant say we didnt warn you!!!!!!!!!!!!!

you have completely incompatible fish in an uncycled, too small tank. for the fish's sake take thm back to lfs and save them.

oh and its probably columaris which i think can staart in an untreated injury but dont quote me onthat,

 

[CathyG]

Just out of interest, Benny, maybe you can help clarify a couple of points. Because of the tone of some of the responses in this thread, I have since read all of your posts on the board and I have determined:

The tank size
The stock and stocking levels
The fact the tank wasn't cycled
The fact you were given poor advice and added a lot of fish too soon
The fact you believe that by growing juveniles together that they will live harmoniously despite their differing needs (this can work under some circumstances, but I doubt it here) and
You see no harm in "experimenting"

I won't comment on the above since I believe the issues have been covered and re-covered many times by well-meaning people.

yet I am a little stuck with the following:

One of your threads asks for help with an injured Bala shark
A few more discuss an injured ID shark
A later post mentions two injured ID sharks
Somewhere else you mention having another tank for one of the injured sharks
Then later you describe the shark as being in a "container"
One post describes one shark as "not that bad its a bite on the tip of the tail "
Another states "the smaller got half his tail ripped off"
Most of your posts blame the convicts for the violence, later you accept it is the Pirhana?
You posted on July 14 "kept my convics and piranha together....... i put 4 feeder fish in there before leaving and they all got teared up alive......3 FISH in one day for my red belly hurricane...oh god"
Then on July 18 "how do i get my red-belly to eat feeder fish ?"
On the 14 July you mention you had just bought a "blue whale fish" (which I am guessing you haven't researched due to you knowing nothing about it or its needs)
In another thread you claim to have 2 Blue Whale fish. Did you buy another even though you know you have stocking/compatibility issues, and your tank(s) are still cycling? (Ammonia reading 4)

I am confused to say the least.

The fact that you are posting pics does concern me that you might possibly really own these fish. Otherwise I would be calling troll. It is so sad to see these fish suffering for the sake of some experiment. There are too many inconsistencies in your posts to believe anything other than

You do actually own these fish
You don't really want people's advice because you are not listening
You really are seeing how far this experiment will go

And do you still maintain "they re getting along" as you claimed on 14 July? And now they are not actually eating each other (yet) have you started to give some serious consideration to their long term needs and care?

Finally, you claim you *had* to put the Piranha in the tank, and you *had* to put the Convicts in the tank...and despite knowing size and compatibility issues, you sressed many times that you cannot return the fish, but when questioned you did not explained why....

So to summarise:

1 30 gallon (cycling) - I am guessing two tanks, since pics posted show different gravel
1 15 gallon (cycling)
1 "container"? with injured ID shark

1 Bala
2 ID sharks
1 Black Shark
1 Plec
1 Headstander (Anostomus anostomus)
1 Red Bellied Piranha
2 Convicts
1 (or 2?) Blue Whale Fish

As posted by CFC in IDing the Blue Whale Fish:

"The first one as correctly identified by Sir Minion is a Cetopsis catfish, probably a coecutiens. They are not community fish and will eat anything else they are kept with, these are some of the most predatory fishes on the planet which will either swallow prey whole or tear it to bits one bite at a time, sometimes even burrowing into the flesh and eating it inside out."

Two tanks of fish soup if you ask me

 

[WILDER]

Well written cathyG, i hate to see fish suffer like this too.

 

[clunkster]

cathyG spot on benny not having a go at you but if you wont listen to wot other people have said in reply to this & other posts why do you still ask for advice?