NFL 2025

[jaylach]

YEA!!! Browns' coach, Kevin Stefanski, announced that he will no longer be calling plays. Made no sense that he was doing so in the first place. I mean what sense does it make to have an offensive coordinator if he isn't calling plays?

 

[jaylach]

So sad! Most probably already know but Dallas Cowboys defensive end Marshawn Kneeland dies early this morning. According to Texas Department of Public Safety he died from a self inflicted gunshot after he got away from a high speed chase. He was only 24 years old.

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[Rusty_Shackleford]

So sad! Most probably already know but Dallas Cowboys defensive end Marshawn Kneeland dies early this morning. According to Texas Department of Public Safety he died from a self inflicted gunshot after he got away from a high speed chase. He was only 24 years old.

MSN

Yeah this is sad. Why was he running from the cops? I hope we find out more, I'm sure there's more to this whole story.

 

[jaylach]

According to the article I linked he had been showing suicidal tendencies. At 10:30 the previous night the police went to his home on a welfare check but no one was home.

I have a hunch as to what all went down but I don't want to speculate without facts.

 

[Rusty_Shackleford]

According to the article I linked he had been showing suicidal tendencies. At 10:30 the previous night the police went to his home on a welfare check but no one was home.

I have a hunch as to what all went down but I don't want to speculate without facts.

And the Cowboys organization can't do anything to help the guy? Get him counseling or something?
The suicidal tendencies scream CTE to me.

 

[jaylach]

And the Cowboys organization can't do anything to help the guy? Get him counseling or something?
The suicidal tendencies scream CTE to me.

I have read nothing about the Cowboys having knowledge of the suicidal tendencies. They well may have or it is also possible that it was only known by his family and they hid it from the Cowboys to not endanger his career.. Since I don't know for fact I won't guess.

As to CTE I won't say that it is not possible but it would seem to be unlikely CTE normally shows up later in life and he was only 24. As an example take Bernie Kozar who was a Browns QB in the 1980's. He suffers from CTE but there was no sign until well after his career ended.

And, believe it or not, the recent time change may have been a factor. After a time change the suicide rate in the U.S. increases by about 6.5% although that is more prevalent with the spring time change and is attributed to the disruption in the sleep schedule.

I wasn't going to say this but will as long as it is understood that this is just my own speculation and I have no facts to prove it. I think he intended to die when he got in his vehicle. It makes no sense that he would flee a traffic violation stop leading to a high speed chase. Sounds like an attempt to commit suicide by police. Suicide by police happens more than you may think. It is a situation where the person that wants to die deliberately creates a situation where the cops end up taking them down. When the cops lost sight of him they gave up the chase so this attempt failed. Then he crashes his vehicle which could have, also, been a failed attempt. He then shot himself. Please keep in mind that this is all just my own speculation with no basis in proven fact. However, it DOES do a decent job of explaining the chain of events.

 

[Rusty_Shackleford]

I have read nothing about the Cowboys having knowledge of the suicidal tendencies. They well may have or it is also possible that it was only known by his family and they hid it from the Cowboys to not endanger his career.. Since I don't know for fact I won't guess.

As to CTE I won't say that it is not possible but it would seem to be unlikely CTE normally shows up later in life and he was only 24. As an example take Bernie Kozar who was a Browns QB in the 1980's. He suffers from CTE but there was no sign until well after his career ended.

And, believe it or not, the recent time change may have been a factor. After a time change the suicide rate in the U.S. increases by about 6.5% although that is more prevalent with the spring time change and is attributed to the disruption in the sleep schedule.

I wasn't going to say this but will as long as it is understood that this is just my own speculation and I have no facts to prove it. I think he intended to die when he got in his vehicle. It makes no sense that he would flee a traffic violation stop leading to a high speed chase. Sounds like an attempt to commit suicide by police. Suicide by police happens more than you may think. It is a situation where the person that wants to die deliberately creates a situation where the cops end up taking them down. When the cops lost sight of him they gave up the chase so this attempt failed. Then he crashes his vehicle which could have, also, been a failed attempt. He then shot himself. Please keep in mind that this is all just my own speculation with no basis in proven fact. However, it DOES do a decent job of explaining the chain of events.

Your theory makes sense. It's one of those things that make you ask why? He had everything going for him. From everything I've read he was a hard worker and wanted to be the best. It's just sad that that helping hand was never extended.

 

[jaylach]

It was 70 degrees yesterday. By Monday the high will be 31 with snow.
Ugh

Your theory makes sense. It's one of those things that make you ask why? He had everything going for him. From everything I've read he was a hard worker and wanted to be the best. It's just sad that that helping hand was never extended.

"Everything going for him"? On the surface that seems true but there is SO much pressure put on such a player that most people would never experience. Let's face the facts. I don't know this person's background at all but, for many, pro athletes it was a way out of the ghettos. Suddenly they have more money than they ever dreamed of with extreme pressure put on by family and followers with their hands out. Some people just can't handle this.

As to no 'helping hand' there well may have been one. The previous night at ~10:30 PM the police were sent to his home for a welfare check so someone must have been concerned enough to have the police check up on him. If you don't know what a welfare check is, it is when someone is concerned with another person's welfare and calls the police to check up on them. The police do not do this on their own as they have no reason to think that a check is needed.

 

[Fishmanic]

Until more facts are divulged, we shouldn't even attempt to speculate why he committed suicide. 24 years old with his whole life ahead of him .... it's so sad. His loved ones must be devastated.

 

[jaylach]

Until more facts are divulged, we shouldn't even attempt to speculate why he committed suicide. 24 years old with his whole life ahead of him .... it's so sad. His loved ones must be devastated.

I totally agree to a point but not totally. The chain of events leading to his death are already public knowledge via the Texas Department of Public Safety. It is unlikely that more will come out that would counter the Texas Department of Public Safety reports.

Even though I was guilty of speculation in my previous post it was based on what has been shown to be the chain of events. I seriously doubt that we will ever see a total understanding as to all aspects of this tragedy.

So we are left with two basic choices...

• Forget about it and have no passion for the situation; He's dead and gone so mo longer matters.
• Look at the facts that have come out as to the sequence of events and, at least, try to understand what he felt and went through.

I take the second option. Sure, that involves speculation but, at least, this allows for trying to understand what happens within a person that suicides. Mayhaps, if we 'speculate' and try to understand, we can learn to avoid this tragedy happening to someone we love.

 

[Rusty_Shackleford]

Have you guys seen the video of the two young boys that are Jets fans reacting to the Sauce Gardner trade? Absolutely hilarious. I hear Sauce saw the video and sent the boys autographed Colts jerseys.

 

[Fishmanic]

The Pats beat the Bucaneers.....Pats are now 8 wins and 2 losses.
Meanwhile, the Bills got trounced by the lowly Dolphins. The Pats are now solidly in first place in the AFC east.

Thursday night football features the Pats against the lowly last place Jets. Should be an easy win for the first place Pats.

 

[Rusty_Shackleford]

The Pats beat the Bucaneers.....Pats are now 8 wins and 2 losses.
Meanwhile, the Bills got trounced by the lowly Dolphins. The Pats are now solidly in first place in the AFC east.

Thursday night football features the Pats against the lowly last place Jets. Should be an easy win for the first place Pats.

The second game against the Bills in Foxborough looms large. The division may come down to that game.

 

[jaylach]

And, once again, my Browns come up with another way to lose, this time against the Jets. Sigh, how often do you see a team give up, both, a kickoff return AND a punt return for touchdowns?

LOL! On the bright side the Browns are now tied with the Jets for the 2026 #1 draft pick but the Browns hold the tie breaker.

 

[Rusty_Shackleford]

And, once again, my Browns come up with another way to lose, this time against the Jets. Sigh, how often do you see a team give up, both, a kickoff return AND a punt return for touchdowns?

LOL! On the bright side the Browns are now tied with the Jets for the 2026 #1 draft pick but the Browns hold the tie breaker.

Are they gonna take a QB? Or trade for Tua?