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Hi All, I've been reading a few of the topics and posts on the forum.

My daughter has always wanted a pet, and as we private rent it hasn't been possible. For her tenth birthday I contacted the landlord who agreed to let us have a fish tank and we've been stressed ever since!
It's a tropical fish tank, we bought a kit which I'm not too sure was probably the best idea... Included was two bottles of magic (sorry they're not near me so I can't tell you all the correct titles!), one for tap water and one for nitrite levels (or is it nitrates) :crazy: There is a heater and a stingray filter within the 38L tank.
By now the tank has been set up for just over four weeks. We introduced 4 danios at week two. We also put in two live plants.
We went back to our local pet centre who test the water levels for us, and they said our nitrites were too high - so we weren't allowed to buy any more new fish which of course caused upset with my daughter.

I'm certain we have been over feeding the four little fishies which has probably not helped with the high levels. And I know a water change will help take down the high levels, but at the moment one of the fish has a white fluffy growth on his back and I'm having to put medicine into the tank daily, at the end of the week that requires a water change anyway. As for feeding the fish, we were told to feed them once every other day. So we had been giving them a pinch of flakes, which could range from 5 or maybe even more, it's hard to tell. We haven't fed them since sunday and I was planning not to feed them until tomorrow, and give them smaller portions of food. Would this be fine, or should we feed them more often but even less food?

Also our two live plants weren't nice and green any more.. they were kind of brown looking, not slimy, but like they were dying, but the roots seemed to be fine and one of the plants had even wrapped its roots around some of the gravel so I can only assume it was settling in ok.. is the brown colour normal? is it another sign something is wrong in the tank?

I've been looking on ebay for a vacuum for the gravel, as I'm sure it could do with a little clean, but again I'm clueless about what I am looking for, they all basically look like a cylinder with a tube on, is that normal? How do you use them? is it just a case of starting off the water draining into a bucket and moving it over the gravel?

Sorry for all the questions, my local pet shop isn't that great a source of information, and the one which tests our water is a little too far away.

Oh and also, with the plants I bought, it turns out we had two little stowaways hidden amongst the leaves. Tiny little snails, whose speckled shell appears to be almost transparent. Are these harmful in anyway? And as my daughter is quite attached to them (taco and kebab) does anyone know if they eat specific foods? or will they just munch on what the fish leave..

It's all so confusing :S
 
Hi All, I've been reading a few of the topics and posts on the forum.

My daughter has always wanted a pet, and as we private rent it hasn't been possible. For her tenth birthday I contacted the landlord who agreed to let us have a fish tank and we've been stressed ever since!
It's a tropical fish tank, we bought a kit which I'm not too sure was probably the best idea... Included was two bottles of magic (sorry they're not near me so I can't tell you all the correct titles!), one for tap water and one for nitrite levels (or is it nitrates) :crazy: There is a heater and a stingray filter within the 38L tank.
By now the tank has been set up for just over four weeks. We introduced 4 danios at week two. We also put in two live plants.
We went back to our local pet centre who test the water levels for us, and they said our nitrites were too high - so we weren't allowed to buy any more new fish which of course caused upset with my daughter.

I'm certain we have been over feeding the four little fishies which has probably not helped with the high levels. And I know a water change will help take down the high levels, but at the moment one of the fish has a white fluffy growth on his back and I'm having to put medicine into the tank daily, at the end of the week that requires a water change anyway. As for feeding the fish, we were told to feed them once every other day. So we had been giving them a pinch of flakes, which could range from 5 or maybe even more, it's hard to tell. We haven't fed them since sunday and I was planning not to feed them until tomorrow, and give them smaller portions of food. Would this be fine, or should we feed them more often but even less food?

Also our two live plants weren't nice and green any more.. they were kind of brown looking, not slimy, but like they were dying, but the roots seemed to be fine and one of the plants had even wrapped its roots around some of the gravel so I can only assume it was settling in ok.. is the brown colour normal? is it another sign something is wrong in the tank?

I've been looking on ebay for a vacuum for the gravel, as I'm sure it could do with a little clean, but again I'm clueless about what I am looking for, they all basically look like a cylinder with a tube on, is that normal? How do you use them? is it just a case of starting off the water draining into a bucket and moving it over the gravel?

Sorry for all the questions, my local pet shop isn't that great a source of information, and the one which tests our water is a little too far away.

Oh and also, with the plants I bought, it turns out we had two little stowaways hidden amongst the leaves. Tiny little snails, whose speckled shell appears to be almost transparent. Are these harmful in anyway? And as my daughter is quite attached to them (taco and kebab) does anyone know if they eat specific foods? or will they just munch on what the fish leave..

It's all so confusing :S

welcome to the forums! :good:
i hear that you have alot of problems. maybe yuo should have done a fishless cycle? any updates? also, water perimeters please. :)
 
Your tank is in real trouble, and I'm hoping the more experienced folks will jump in here as I always seem to have not enough information to suit the elders. If it were my tank, I'd do an immediate water change of at least 75%. And yes, do get a gravel vacuum. You basically dip it in the water and get the siphon going on it, then push it into the gravel and wiggle it a bit and see all the gunk that comes out. You'll be amazed at how dirty it is, I'm sure. When you've got the dirty water in a bucket, swish the filter media around in it to get off the major dirt. Don't rinse it off in tap water ever.

It sounds like the one fish has developed ich, and you'll find a hundred different answers on the best way to treat it here, so I'll just leave it at that.

What kind of plants do you have? Are they receiving light from a tank hood? They can also suffer from poor water quality.

Get yourself a master test kit for your water as soon as you're able. This will really help determine your water quality. The test strips are too inaccurate to bother using.

The snails will start to reproduce quickly if you continue to overfeed.

Welcome to the forum, and best of luck!
 
Hi thanks for the welcomes!
I think I need that luck spouse :)

I don't have any water perimeters, as I don't have a home water testing kit :sad:
The medicine I'm giving the fish at the moment seems to be clearing up his fluffy patch, but I'm afraid to do the water change before the weeks up due to the medicine still being in the water and the lil fella needs it.. :unsure: but I will definitely be doing one as soon as the medicine has ran its course. I'd already read a few places about cleaning the filter in the old tank water so wasn't going to make that mistake. I guess I did make the mistake of not really knowing exactly how much alchemy is involved in a working tank, and yes maybe should have done a fishless cycle first

As for the plants, I'm not entirely sure what type they are. Two are green and one is red. I bought them so the fish had more shelter and places to hide, but I guess now you ask the types of plant that maybe some fish don't get on with all plants? They are receiving light from the tanks hood yes, it's a fluorescent one, we were advised for ten hours a day. I'm currently waiting on a timer in the post as sometimes we're out till late and I don't want to turn the light off too early and deprive the plants and fish of it, but I don't want to leave the light on too long and cause the fish stress..

As for the snails, we acquired two more with the new plants I bought yesterday. I wanted to dispose of them, daughter gave me big puppy dog eyes and pouted - who can say no to that :rolleyes: So now there are four, and yes, even without the over feeding I'm sure they will get out of hand!

We fed the fish for the first time today, a little at a time, and stopped when they stopped eating - should we have stopped before that and left them hungry, pffft wish they could talk "no thanks we're full.." or "feeeeed meeee!" would be great if they could just tell me what they needed :S

I'm such a sensitive soul I almost panicked on saturday as we had been away Friday night. Entered the living room and sat and watched them for a bit, 1, 2 3... count again... still three. So I look near the filter nothing, around the plants, nope. I look inside the krusty krab house that my daughter chose - number 4 no where to be seen, then I spotted it not moving at the bottom of the heater :shout: so I unplugged everything, started to pull on the heater and the fish came with it, thought it had maybe malfunctioned and the fish had become melted to the bottom of it :sick: raised it some more and the little tail started wriggling, so I shook the heater and it swam free, it had only got itself wedged into a little gap at the bottom of the heater! Needless to say, I buried those little gaps under some gravel so it wouldn't happen again.

Top of the shopping list a gravel cleaner.. would you recommend any specific type or just any old one will do?
 
See my responses in bold italic below:
Hi thanks for the welcomes!
I think I need that luck spouse :)

I don't have any water perimeters, as I don't have a home water testing kit :sad:
The medicine I'm giving the fish at the moment seems to be clearing up his fluffy patch, but I'm afraid to do the water change before the weeks up due to the medicine still being in the water and the lil fella needs it.. :unsure: but I will definitely be doing one as soon as the medicine has ran its course. I'd already read a few places about cleaning the filter in the old tank water so wasn't going to make that mistake. I guess I did make the mistake of not really knowing exactly how much alchemy is involved in a working tank, and yes maybe should have done a fishless cycle first


Make sure you don't have any charcoal in your filter media while you're doing the medication. You can use charcoal again when you've run the medication through its course.

As for the plants, I'm not entirely sure what type they are. Two are green and one is red. I bought them so the fish had more shelter and places to hide, but I guess now you ask the types of plant that maybe some fish don't get on with all plants? They are receiving light from the tanks hood yes, it's a fluorescent one, we were advised for ten hours a day. I'm currently waiting on a timer in the post as sometimes we're out till late and I don't want to turn the light off too early and deprive the plants and fish of it, but I don't want to leave the light on too long and cause the fish stress..

It's not that fish don't get along with plants, it's that sometimes the LFS will sell "aquatic" plants that really aren't! They're actually just regular houseplants. So best to find out exactly what they are and then do the research to find out what you can. There's a section on the forum that discusses plants. Ten hours a day is usually too much time to have your lights on. Mine are on about 6 hours a day to keep the algae at bay.


As for the snails, we acquired two more with the new plants I bought yesterday. I wanted to dispose of them, daughter gave me big puppy dog eyes and pouted - who can say no to that :rolleyes: So now there are four, and yes, even without the over feeding I'm sure they will get out of hand!

A few snails I think are a good thing. They help keep the gunk cleaned up off the bottom and the algae on the glass. It's when they start getting out of hand that it's a problem. I have a few and actually enjoy them. My smaller tank was becoming overrun with them, so I got some assassin snails to take care of the extras. Working like a charm.
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We fed the fish for the first time today, a little at a time, and stopped when they stopped eating - should we have stopped before that and left them hungry, pffft wish they could talk "no thanks we're full.." or "feeeeed meeee!" would be great if they could just tell me what they needed :S

I'm such a sensitive soul I almost panicked on saturday as we had been away Friday night. Entered the living room and sat and watched them for a bit, 1, 2 3... count again... still three. So I look near the filter nothing, around the plants, nope. I look inside the krusty krab house that my daughter chose - number 4 no where to be seen, then I spotted it not moving at the bottom of the heater :shout: so I unplugged everything, started to pull on the heater and the fish came with it, thought it had maybe malfunctioned and the fish had become melted to the bottom of it :sick: raised it some more and the little tail started wriggling, so I shook the heater and it swam free, it had only got itself wedged into a little gap at the bottom of the heater! Needless to say, I buried those little gaps under some gravel so it wouldn't happen again.

Whew!

Top of the shopping list a gravel cleaner.. would you recommend any specific type or just any old one will do?

Any old one will do. With these it's a matter of practice.
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Just thought I'd drop an update :)

Tank is all fine and healthy now - the brown algae is disappearing also! Levels are all healthy now too yay :hyper: I bought a gravel cleaner and it definitely makes water changes easier too, and yup I was most definitely amazed by all the rubbish that came out into the draining bucket!

With the water levels all healthy and the tank in a much better condition we decided that we would buy a few more fish. The guy we spoke to said two neon tetras would be ok, and also we bought an ancistrus, only a small one though! We don't want to end up with a huge one hogging all the tank :lol: We bought them on Sunday, but by monday morning one of the tetras had gone and gotten itself stuck behind the filter and didn't survive the night :no:
I thought I'd email the place we bought everything from, to see if it's common for fish to swim into places they shouldn't. And apparently they have had problems reported before. Offered to exchange the filter for something more suitable and have given me a credit note for the deceased fish. Which I didn't expect either, I just wanted reassurance it wasn't something we did wrong -_- I'm a little concerned about the sole survivor as I know they survive better in groups, so at feeding time we make sure our greedy danios aren't hogging everything and making sure it does get fed.
The Ancistrus which is my daughters favourite at the moment seems to be obsessed with the heater, the lil monkey uncovered the holes that one of the danios got stuck in, so I'll have to keep a close eye on that to make sure I keep covering them back up :rolleyes:

Now that the fish tank is healthy, we can actually sit and enjoy it's beauty instead of worrying so much, well, we'll be worrying a lot less when we don't have to worry about the same thing happening to the last neon!
 
Neons actually do better in fairly large groups. When I got mine I got 10 of them, and they're very happy in their little school.
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Neons actually do better in fairly large groups. When I got mine I got 10 of them, and they're very happy in their little school.
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Glad you got the tank nice and steady! It's a great feeling, isn't it?
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Neons actually do better in fairly large groups. When I got mine I got 10 of them, and they're very happy in their little school.
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Yeah I've since read that a minimum of six is best, and the more the better. Ah well, it's all a learning experience, and yep, having a healthy tank is definitely a good feeling :good:
 

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