Newbie Help Please

DJSID666

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Hello all,

I introduced myself in the correct thread and now its time for some help from you guys..

I wish to know the correct names for my fish as im a total newbie, the mrs has had fish before but we not together then so with a little help from her all i know is i have a convict cichlid, but as to the others i have`nt a scooby to what they are lol...

Any info on them would be taken onboard.. Sexing size etc etc..

I know i have 2 Malawi`s 1 Convict and 9 Cichlids with yellow fins.
As to the others NO IDEA

Also ive noticed most people with cichlids do not have a planted tank ????

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Thanks in advance
Simon
 
First things first, the best bit of advice you will ever get is - research your fish before you buy them! Not knowing even their names is a really bad starting point, and often a quick way to head to disaster if you dont know the names you dont know their aggression levels, water requirements or adult size.

Your cichlids are african, which is not my speciality but I do know they need specific set ups that utilise crushed coral sand for substrate and large hard rocks that make the water harder and a high ph which I can tell from your pics you dont have.

How big is that tank btw? Is it the 190 or the 350? How long has it been set up? Do you know what fishless cycling is and if so did you do it?

With the catfish, in the first pic thats a synodontis not sure of the species though... I can also see a pim pictus in an other section under the root decoration.

In the second pic there is a fish called a frontosa which will grow quite slowly to 16 inches or so. Is that the one you thought was a convict as they do kind of look similar when young.

Wills
 
Cheers for the advice..
The tank is a 190 bought off my brother in-law who advised me as what to get.

The tank was left for 3-4 weeks before we introduced the fish.

Ive had it around 2 months and have done a water change (25%) i assume this is what you mean by cycling.
I believe we have to do this every month ish..

If that isnt a convict as you stated im in do do as it will get way to big for the tank.
This is another reason whay i joined this forum to get your knowledge.

So from your fishy wisdom do you suggest i lose the gravel and plants and have a sand substrate instead ???

i forgot to add that we were recommended cichlids, plecs and cats as these are hardy fish and will help develop the tank ????
 
hi the plec will also grow way too large for that tank common plecs can easily reach a meter
do you know the pH of your water if its around 7.5 or lower you would be better off getting rid of the malawi and tanganikan cichlids and replace them with central and south american cichlids obviously research them first for size and compatibility as there agression levels vary quite a lot

just to add you need to change at least 30% of the water every week untill your bacteria collony has grown big enough to cope with the bio load

hope this helps you out
 
Looks like the aquarium centre we go to then just wanted to sell us any fish to gain profit.
They knew the size of the tank we had !!!!!

I also thought that they will only grow to the size to fit their environment ???

Perhaps we should of stuck with the cat dog and hamster ...
 
aww man I have to say your in a bit of a pickle.

In a fish tank you have a filter which eventually grows bacteria, the bacteria is a naturally occurring one that breaks down fish waste and chemicals that are created as a result. This is called the nitrogen cycle, the easiest way to explain it is like this, fish live in their own toilet and when they poo the fish poo gives of a chemical called ammonia. Ammonia is highly toxic to fish and will cause major issues for you in the near future. Ideally we like to recommend people do a fishless cycle which by passes the fish poo and just used bottled ammonia but the situation your in now is called a fish in cycle.

So yeah the nitrogen cycle goes like this

fish poo -> ammonia -> nitrite - nitrate

to get from ammonia to nitrite you need a colony of bacteria to build up over a number of weeks but until that point the water is highly toxic to the fish, the good news is it will get better the bad news is nitrite is still toxic for fish but an other type of bacteria will grow along with the first type to make it into harmless nitrate then we as fish keepers remove the nitrate by doing water changes which should be done weekly not monthly.

Right now you are in a fish in cycle, even though the filter had fish in at some point with your brother in law the bacteria will have been starved as there was no ammonia source for a number of months now. So this means that the fish are pooping and the ammonia is being created but there is nothing in the filter to remove the ammonia see what I mean? So the best bit of advice now is to read the secion in the begginers resource section and learn what a fish in cycle is. This will mean you need to get an API master test kit with ammonia and nitrite testing kits so you can test daily for a while, alongside the water tests you will need to do daily water changes to keep the ammonia and nitrite below .25 ppm in the water.

Hope that has helped like I say check out the begginers resource section there is lot in there written by fishkeepers that you wont get told in the shops or most books! We have a lot of true experts on this forum that work within the aquatics trade and those are the ones that have written these articles. You will quickly learn that there are a lot of common myths in the hobby and as much as I hate to say it you have been told quite a few.

Now onto the next problem..... Cichlids, catfish and plecs are sometimes hardy fish, those three groupings of fish probably cover a few hundred thousand fish though and some are hardier than others. As for fish that get too big for your tank, the one i pointed out as a frontosa like you say will outgrow your tank but so will your plecs, the ones in the pics are common plecs which will grow to 10 inches in a year and then keep growing to between 12 inches to 16 inches. Like I say I am no expert with African Cichlids, my specialism is more with American Cichlids which is a whole different type of fish but I do know that most africans need large tanks but I believe that you may get away with this size tank, to get possitive IDs on these fish maybe post your pictures in the african cichlid section and people will be able to help you work out what you need to do with them and which ones are going to be able to live in your tank properly.

Hope thats helped somewhat, I think perhaps the best thing you could do is rehome the fish that are going to outgrow your tank and possibly at the same time try to take back the other fish so you can start a fishless cycle? Its much easier than the daily water changes a fish in cycle requires the other advantages of a fishless cycle is 0 chance of fish dieing in the cycle stage and also 0 chance of disease which can in some cases infect the tank and kill off future fish as well. The other thing to mention is that in low ph and high ammonia and nitrite I think your cichlids could be under extreme stress which can lead to disease. Dont get me wrong we have all made similar mistakes at some point but unfortunatly that is why you hear of so many people having a tank for a month or so and then giving up, because they didnt have access to this kind of information then all their fish die and they give up but hopefully the forum will be able to guide you through this rough start to a happy long lasting tank :)

Wills
 
Thanks for the input Wills..

Looks like i need to do alot of reading and change my supplier.

I will also start a fishless cycle.
Without sounding like a wan@@er money isnt an issue so the above is totaly possible.
Do you think that a substrate is much more suited than gravel and plants then as i do prefer that look..
 
The tank was left for 3-4 weeks before we introduced the fish.

Ive had it around 2 months
Then there's no point starting a fishless cycle if this means you've had fish in for ~4 weeks or more.

have done a water change (25%)
Provided you cleaned the filter in tank water as opposed to tap water.

Also, you don't need to change your supplier (or local fish shop, (lfs)) just because they gave bad advice. As long as the fish look healthy, it doesn't matter what advice they give, you can still buy from them. Though I wouldn't go buying more fish just yet.
 
Oh! idiot me didnt read that properly, have you had fish in there for 2 months? If so you have been pretty lucky and will probably have made it through the cycle. Have you had any deaths since you set up?
 
I have had the fish in situe for around 3 months according to the Mrs.

We have had no deaths ( touch wood ) :rolleyes:
All fish are growing well and feeding fine.

I think ive got the bug because i want another tank already :blink:
 
well it sounds like you can forget the bit I was on about cycling then... youve been lucky :good: do you have a water test kit? The liquid drop one? They are the most reliable well worth getting.

If you want an other tank, youve got some plecs and cichlids that need a 6 foot tank ;)
 
Its funny you should say that because only last week we were talking about putting a custom tank in the wall between the front room and dining room..

This would be about 12 foot.. Even the kids now want a tank each in their rooms ( Bi-orb)

This is almost as addictive as riding my bike but with a lot less adrenlin..

Marine tanks look amazing with the spectrum of colour avallible but thats a future plan due to the maintanence side and time needed for the upkeep.

Im sure this forum and all you guys will be around to help if needed. :good:
 

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