My Saltwater Tank

Frozen food it just live food frozen, its things like brine shrimp and bloodworm, its about £2 .50 at my LFS for a pack with loads of push out feeds but you can cut them in 1/4 and feed 1 1/4 3 times a day, or something like that. As the damsles get older you may have some space issues, maybe in the future you will upgrade? The clowns could be hiding because of the damsles but, they like to stick to one place, my one stays in his cave unless there is food in there.
I think you have a really nice setup, its not the most natural (saltwater) looking, but it looks really nice. Its nice to talk to someone in the same possition as me, a fish only nano (12 gallon) and both of us having success.
I will get a pic of my whole tank ASAP for you.
I wish your tank all the luck, but aslong as you keep up water changes and water top ups (evap top ups - fresh water, water changes - saltwater (same SG as you tank water 1.022-1.026)) and dont over feed i dont know why it wouldn't be a success.

Also keep an upgrade in mind, many people will say you are overstocked, well maybe you are, but keep the water conditions right and you should have success.

Sean,

(Anemone :lol:)

As they mature, I will think of upgrade. If we go by the rule of thumb 2 gallons for every one inch fish, I would say they are all about one inch now so not quite overstocked but 4 gallons to spare.

I have a very busy work schedule and too be honest I think taking care of plants and live rock and coral would be just over the top. Taking care of the fish are chore enough :lol: but fun!
 
Im just gonna come out with it basically your a fool. You cant just add salt to a tropical tank and call it a fish only marine tank. You need to be testing for alot of different things and as you are not using a skimmer need to be water changing reguarly also using a normal filter just wont work as these will send your nitrates through the roof and you need to keep them under 10ppm LR isnt just rock to add hidey holes for your fish is beneficial to your tank as a marine tank is a living eco system. You need to rehome all your fish and either stick with tropical or research how do do a fish only tank.
 
i didnt just add salt...................


but let me ask you this, no matter what tank....if you didnt add salt wouldnt it be freshwater?

I am watching all my parameters so dont you worry
 
Well the filtration device has a bio-wheel before the outlet if that what you mean. Flow, not really sure
 
See you have done no research your tank should be turned over about 15 times an hour with a power head to put flow int he tank so that there is no dead spots and filtration should be done through LR as normal filters will cause high nitrates. But you already knew that as you researched it properly thats why you have some normal rock and fake plants in with marine fish.
 
let me ask you something, do you really have to be a dick about it?

Instead of ranting at the mouth why don't you help me learn about this kind of stuff.

The prefered marine life is LR and LS and LP but they are NOT required.

Why would I need a power head for such a small tank?
 
go to the saltwater section and read up on nano tanks. It not called being a dick its getting the point across.
 
I would think by being a mature member here you would set an example, not calling names (fool), and would try to help the situation.

If I can keep my salinity level at 1.023 - 024 and my amm, and nit at 0 ...whats the point of LR and LS and LP? Not saying there isnt a point but I am say it is not needed in this case.
 
Im just gonna come out with it basically your a fool. You cant just add salt to a tropical tank and call it a fish only marine tank.

Woah there! If you had done more than just read a few posts on this forum, you would realise there is more than one way to run a saltwater tank.

In its simplest form, a FO marine tank is exactly what you hate so much, a FW tank with salt in the water.

You need to be testing for alot of different things and as you are not using a skimmer need to be water changing reguarly also using a normal filter just wont work as these will send your nitrates through the roof and you need to keep them under 10ppm LR isnt just rock to add hidey holes for your fish is beneficial to your tank as a marine tank is a living eco system.

What else exactly should one be testing for in a FO set up? nitrates would be nice, but as explained below, they are not the evil thing many believe them to be. Other than that, the OP has all the tests he needs. All the advanced calcium and phosphate tests are purely for keeping inverts such as corals and nems, nothing to do with the fish.

Skimming on small tanks is not necessary so long as water changes are used to keep DOC at a reduced level.

If you researched the science behind fishes in marine tanks, you would know that many lfs have nitrates in the 80s, and that the only scientific paper anyone has found regarding fish and nitrates found that SW fish suffer no long or short term problems with nitrates of 100ppm or below.

You need to rehome all your fish and either stick with tropical or research how do do a fish only tank.

And you need to realise that you do not know everything there is about salt water fishkeeping before becoming so forthright with advice. MAybe it is you that should research a little more, especially if you are going to preach so vehemently about other people's set ups.

See you have done no research your tank should be turned over about 15 times an hour with a power head to put flow int he tank so that there is no dead spots and filtration should be done through LR as normal filters will cause high nitrates. But you already knew that as you researched it properly thats why you have some normal rock and fake plants in with marine fish.

Wow, so pious, and yet so indicative of how the SW crew has become on this forum. Essentially, if someone isn't doing the Berlin method they are thought of as fools.

Dead spots are a problem genberatetd by filling the tank with LR. Likewise, the 15 times is to prevent food settling under the rock (though it does have to break down somewhere, either in, on or under a rock). If you don't fill the tank with LR, there will be less dead spots. Also, with less rock, it's easier to gravel vac and get any uneaten food.

Experienced SW pred keepers use 10x turnover as the maximum flow in a tank, even if it has live rock. Many advocate 5x and under.

And here's a quick hint for you: "normal" filters do not cause nitrates. The nitrates occur due to ammonia being broken down. Just putting a standard filter onto a SW tank will not magically cause a huge spike in nitrates.

If you do not maintain your filter (such as cleaning out sponges and such) then nitrates can occur. However, a lack of maintenance on any tank will cause problems. When properly maintained with water changes and regularly maintained filters, the system being used by the OP is perfectly adequate.

Maybe you should research more than one way of doing marine before being so overly critical of others? You do realise that the OP has a filter that can handle ammonia and nitrite better than your beloved Live Rock, and that ammonia and nitrite are a hell of a lot worse for fish than nitrates, yes?

Considering the OP could be a little overstocked by some people, they have probably given their fish a better set up by using a biowheel (essentially a small wet/dry filter).
 
OK, lets hope this doesn't descend into a slanging match and we can actually get the OP the help that he needs.

The key to running a sucscessful marine tank is research, and lots of it. Ideally I'd like this done before buyign fish but never mind, it's certainly not too late to start!

Here's an excellent topic on the basics of marine keeping, read it all

and here's one covering the needs of a nano tank (which is what you have)

The most common way nowadays of setting up marine tanks is the berlin method that andy referred to above, this in it's most basic form is where you have no conventional filter but your filtration is done 'naturally' by Live Rock, for this you need a turnover of around 20x around the Live Rock. The benefits of this system are numerous an ddescribed in more detail in the topics above.

However there is always more way than one to skin a cat! Perhaps Andy would be so kind as to post some links on how to set up and maintain a tank without Live Rock :)
 
There's no need for a link.

You get a tank, get a filter and some salt. Fill the tank with water, add the salt and connect up the filter. Cycle the tank as you would a freswhater tank and away you go.

Perform a 10% weekly water change with a bit of substrate vac (assuming you have a substrate) and that is it really. Keep an eye on the nitrates, and if they creep too high, do a larger wter change. Ideally keep the nitrates below 40ppm, but don't feel like the fish will explode if it goes higher.

Too many people cannot realise someone may not want to keep a reef tank (most notably an SPS style tank) and therefore they have problems with giving advice on anything but the Berlin system. Hell, even undergravel filters can stil be used effectively if you are prepared to maintain them.

The Marine section of this board is starting to get very restrictive these days. Anyone who dares challenge the general statements (filters are nitrate factories, all tanks must have 1kg LR per 2 gallons) is almost ostracised. Even the pinned guides (as linked by MW above) talk about a tank saying you want a long wide tank, rather than a tall one because of lighting. The assumption is made from the off that the tank will have some photo-dependant invertebrates in there.

I guess I shouldn't be too upset that Mark7616 has become a member of the Berlin System Gestapo, if one reads all the pinned and FAQ topics on TFF one is exposed to only one style of keeping a tank. They all assume you will use LR, and most assume you want sessile invertebrates with the prospect of more predatory fish barely (if at all) discussed.
 
andy you have got that right about all the info about sw setups on his forum, i was wanting to go down the sw line at some point but due to what i read here put me off as all i wanted was a fish only tank, reading your last couple of posts has got me thinking again :D
 

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