My new 29 Gal. Cich. tank :)

this tank isn't a perminant home for these fry. It's meely a foster home, if thats what you could call it, they arn't going to live their full lives here. If they get too big im trading them in for a smaller kind of cich.
 
thats very true. thats why people who cant afford big tanks stick with fish that dont need a large tank...

well they should anyway.. orobviously not
If MrMashashin does what he says he's going to do - keeps the fish until they have outgrown the home that he can afford to give them, then why should he be denied the enjoyment and pleasure of having the fish that he chooses. He's not introducing them to an environment that is not proper for them (IE - living with species that aren't compatible...) All he's merely doing is keeping them in a small tank until they're a larger size, at which point he has a home lined up for them.

IMO, this helps the hobby, and the aquarist. For example, MrMashashin gets to enjoy convicts for a period of time. The LFS made the money on his original sale. Later, when they're a much larger size, the LFS will be able to purchase them back from MrMashashin for a much lower cost than to have them shipped from a warehouse, and in turn sell them to customers for either a discounted price, or the original price they'd normally sell them at and re-invest the money into the store.

How is this any different than someone buying a few fish (say, African Cichlids) , putting them in a small home (say a 29-Tall) for about a while at which point they contemplated buying a newer tank, selecting one, ordering it, building it, cycling it, etc. I don't see posts on here tearing people apart for doing that...I did it and no one told me that I "shouldn't" keep cichlids simply because I didn't have a tank right then and there that could house them.

The catch here, of course, is if MrMashashin has the willpower to follow through with his plan. If he can, then I don't see the problem. If he can't, well...then perhaps he should reconsider his stocking options.
 
well you would say that

75 Gallon Perfecto, 2 Aquaclear 500
1 - Common Pleco
3 - Eels (1 Asian Spiny, 2 Fire)
2 - Synodontis Batinsoda
1 - Red Zebra (Pseudotropheus estherae)
2 - Electric Yellow (Labidochromis caeruleus)
2 - Electric White (Labidochromis caeruleus)
1 - Powder Blue (Pseudotropheus socolofi)
1 - Blue Dolphin (Cyrtocara moorii)
1 - Zebra Obliquden (Astatotilapia latifasciata)
2 - Demasoni (Pseudotropheus demasoni)
1 - Kenyi (Pseudotropheus lombardoi)
2 - Livingstoni (Nimbochromis livingstonii)
1 - Cobalt Blue (Metriaclima callainos)
2 - Electric Blue Johanni (Melanochromis johanni)
2 - Bumble Bee (Pseudothropheus crabro)
2 - Red Top Hongi
:rofl:


only messing with you...
 
keep it civilized gixer. she is not asking for opinions on her tank! that is not the question at hand at the moment.

the problem with it becca is his choice of fish. convicts are egglayers. can have spawns of 200+ fry. convicts are also prolific breeders. they can have spawns about every 6 weeks. they are also one of the easiest fish to breed. due to these factors, they are very common in the trade. usually lfs will not take convicts. quite different from an african mouthbrooder that will have about 10-15 fry at a time. now take that pair of convicts, they spawn every 6 weeks. meanwhile if you cannot get rid of the fry they will mature and spawn. without the means to provide adequate space you have all this happening in a 29 gallon tank.

i have two pair of convicts. about 20 of the fry i may be able to sell to the lfs for about .25 cents apeice. and they do have to be an inch or better to do that. i use the fry for feeders for my new world cichlids.

convicts are not called water bunnies for no reason.
 
well you would say that

75 Gallon Perfecto, 2 Aquaclear 500
1 - Common Pleco
3 - Eels (1 Asian Spiny, 2 Fire)
2 - Synodontis Batinsoda
1 - Red Zebra (Pseudotropheus estherae)
2 - Electric Yellow (Labidochromis caeruleus)
2 - Electric White (Labidochromis caeruleus)
1 - Powder Blue (Pseudotropheus socolofi)
1 - Blue Dolphin (Cyrtocara moorii)
1 - Zebra Obliquden (Astatotilapia latifasciata)
2 - Demasoni (Pseudotropheus demasoni)
1 - Kenyi (Pseudotropheus lombardoi)
2 - Livingstoni (Nimbochromis livingstonii)
1 - Cobalt Blue (Metriaclima callainos)
2 - Electric Blue Johanni (Melanochromis johanni)
2 - Bumble Bee (Pseudothropheus crabro)
2 - Red Top Hongi
rofl.gif


only messing with you...


It looks good to me
 
Nix said:
well you would say that

75 Gallon Perfecto, 2 Aquaclear 500
1 - Common Pleco
3 - Eels (1 Asian Spiny, 2 Fire)
2 - Synodontis Batinsoda
1 - Red Zebra (Pseudotropheus estherae)
2 - Electric Yellow (Labidochromis caeruleus)
2 - Electric White (Labidochromis caeruleus)
1 - Powder Blue (Pseudotropheus socolofi)
1 - Blue Dolphin (Cyrtocara moorii)
1 - Zebra Obliquden (Astatotilapia latifasciata)
2 - Demasoni (Pseudotropheus demasoni)
1 - Kenyi (Pseudotropheus lombardoi)
2 - Livingstoni (Nimbochromis livingstonii)
1 - Cobalt Blue (Metriaclima callainos)
2 - Electric Blue Johanni (Melanochromis johanni)
2 - Bumble Bee (Pseudothropheus crabro)
2 - Red Top Hongi
rofl.gif


only messing with you...


It looks good to me
i'll keep my mouh shut then....big problems in future would be my guess though,,,but thats not the tank in question.

and i'll get my wristies slapped ;)
 
Ok I have lined up with the expencive ordering LFS place to where he will take them once their too big! He was going to sell me his huge 200g tank but i told him he should clean it up and use it to show off his products and beautiful fish. So once their too big for my tank, He will take them off my hands for 2-5 dollars a peice.

Then he will have those little fish... what are they called..... kribs?
He will get me a pair of those for free.
 
semper fi said:
keep it civilized gixer. she is not asking for opinions on her tank! that is not the question at hand at the moment.

the problem with it becca is his choice of fish. convicts are egglayers. can have spawns of 200+ fry. convicts are also prolific breeders. they can have spawns about every 6 weeks. they are also one of the easiest fish to breed. due to these factors, they are very common in the trade. usually lfs will not take convicts. quite different from an african mouthbrooder that will have about 10-15 fry at a time. now take that pair of convicts, they spawn every 6 weeks. meanwhile if you cannot get rid of the fry they will mature and spawn. without the means to provide adequate space you have all this happening in a 29 gallon tank.

i have two pair of convicts. about 20 of the fry i may be able to sell to the lfs for about .25 cents apeice. and they do have to be an inch or better to do that. i use the fry for feeders for my new world cichlids.

convicts are not called water bunnies for no reason.
Semper,

You make a good point, and that - I can agree with you on. If the reason for not agreeing with his selection of fish has to do with their rapid breeding, then I'd have to say he's chosen the wrong fish. (I didn't know that about convicts, thanks for the heads up, I'll make sure to steer clear of them for a while!)

My biggest problem is basically when I see someone posting online about this great fish that they fell in love with and brought home. They know they won't be able to keep the fish in their current setup, so they'll either have to trade them back in before too long, or buy a new tank...and they've already made arrangements with their LFS to give them back after X amount of time. These people seem to get flamed everytime they do it. :( And I just don't understand it. As long as the fish is being properly cared for, what's the harm in trading them back, as long as they have a new home lined up for them once they're unable to keep them. :dunno:

And, as far as my tank goes - I know that there *may* be some agression between the species I have when they get a bit older, but to be quite honest, everyone is getting along just beautifully now. No one fish gets picked on, agression is distributed quite nicely - and no one fish seems to be the bully of the group. If I find that I'm having compatibility issues once they get larger, I've got a close relationship with two LFS - one of which specializes in nothing but cichlids. They both have an open "tank" policy with their regular customers. As long as they know the origin of the fish they'll be happy to take the fish in for 1/3 of what they'd normally sell it as. This is mostly because they don't want your new batch of fry, or mix-breeds...but they'll have no problem taking in a couple of decent sized fish.
 
i totally agree with you on all points becca. i see no harm in a well thought out plan. imo, the best way to learn about a species of fish is to keep the species yourself. i have done the same thing myself, but i do have a back up plan if all goes wrong, research the fish before buying and have a reliable source willing to take the fish. i recently did it in fact with my quads of frontosa's. i had them for a year and a half. grew them out. now they are residing in a very nice 180 gallon setup at the rectory of our church.

i strongly beleive there is alot to be gained by hands on experience. i just hate a willy nilly aproach.

sorry, enough hijacking of the post! :p
 
semper fi said:
i totally agree with you on all points becca. i see no harm in a well thought out plan. imo, the best way to learn about a species of fish is to keep the species yourself. i have done the same thing myself, but i do have a back up plan if all goes wrong, research the fish before buying and have a reliable source willing to take the fish. i recently did it in fact with my quads of frontosa's. i had them for a year and a half. grew them out. now they are residing in a very nice 180 gallon setup at the rectory of our church.

i strongly beleive there is alot to be gained by hands on experience. i just hate a willy nilly aproach.

sorry, enough hijacking of the post! :p
lol - all very good points. :) Just one more thought though - my experience has taught me that everyone has their own 2 cents, and to be quite honest - most of them have just "read" somewhere that things should be done a certain way, and to be blunt, aren't speaking from their own experience.

Those who have had experience with certain fish or situations are the ones that usually seem to know more about how to properly handle a situation, and as such they tend to get more credibility in my book.

And it's just like you said - there's a lot to be gained by building your own experience. :p Just have a Plan B for when/if it doesn't work out!
 
You see I posted this thread a long time ago and it was first for a hex then changed to a 29g. No one helped me out then they get mad at me for something i didn't know about? That's kinda rediculous. But becca and semper fi thank you for the posative thinking.
 
Becca said:
semper fi said:
keep it civilized gixer. she is not asking for opinions on her tank! that is not the question at hand at the moment.

the problem with it becca is his choice of fish. convicts are egglayers. can have spawns of 200+ fry. convicts are also prolific breeders. they can have spawns about every 6 weeks. they are also one of the easiest fish to breed. due to these factors, they are very common in the trade. usually lfs will not take convicts. quite different from an african mouthbrooder that will have about 10-15 fry at a time. now take that pair of convicts, they spawn every 6 weeks. meanwhile if you cannot get rid of the fry they will mature and spawn. without the means to provide adequate space you have all this happening in a 29 gallon tank.

i have two pair of convicts. about 20 of the fry i may be able to sell to the lfs for about .25 cents apeice. and they do have to be an inch or better to do that. i use the fry for feeders for my new world cichlids.

convicts are not called water bunnies for no reason.
Semper,

You make a good point, and that - I can agree with you on. If the reason for not agreeing with his selection of fish has to do with their rapid breeding, then I'd have to say he's chosen the wrong fish. (I didn't know that about convicts, thanks for the heads up, I'll make sure to steer clear of them for a while!)

My biggest problem is basically when I see someone posting online about this great fish that they fell in love with and brought home. They know they won't be able to keep the fish in their current setup, so they'll either have to trade them back in before too long, or buy a new tank...and they've already made arrangements with their LFS to give them back after X amount of time. These people seem to get flamed everytime they do it. :( And I just don't understand it. As long as the fish is being properly cared for, what's the harm in trading them back, as long as they have a new home lined up for them once they're unable to keep them. :dunno:

And, as far as my tank goes - I know that there *may* be some agression between the species I have when they get a bit older, but to be quite honest, everyone is getting along just beautifully now. No one fish gets picked on, agression is distributed quite nicely - and no one fish seems to be the bully of the group. If I find that I'm having compatibility issues once they get larger, I've got a close relationship with two LFS - one of which specializes in nothing but cichlids. They both have an open "tank" policy with their regular customers. As long as they know the origin of the fish they'll be happy to take the fish in for 1/3 of what they'd normally sell it as. This is mostly because they don't want your new batch of fry, or mix-breeds...but they'll have no problem taking in a couple of decent sized fish.
what really annoys me is people not reaserching the fish before they buy them... Whats the fascination everyone seems to have with cichlids recently too. I cringe sometimes when i see some peoples tanks and its obvious is a dissaster waiting to happen. It doesnt take much to research these days with the internet etc..

Would people go out and buy dogs without researching first? or would they trade them in once they grew too big?...

hey what a great idea...lets all have puppies while they are cute then trade them in once they grow up.. :( :angry: ..

its a pathetic way too look at fishkeeping

You are responsible for a life/lives here, something that shouldnt be taken lightly.
this willy nilly appraoch really annoys me, i'm not going to name names but certain tanks in siggys on here are outrageous...its like keeping a baby chawawa with a pack of wolves. or a persian kitten with wild lions.
 
i agree that getting fish without researching the species is wrong. this topic is one example of it. convicts are alot of work and not a species you just keep for a bit. convicts are a pain if you do not have a means to get rid of the fry.

i have fish that i have donated to setups. i also have fish that no matter what i would not get rid of. i am against just going to a lfs, picking out a "pretty fish", plopping it into a tank and then disposing of it inhumanely after it turns into a 3' eating machine.

everyone's experiences and opinions are different. i feel that as long as you take responsibility for your fish, before and after, there is no harm.

i agree with you, some people's tanks are a nightmare. part of the reason why i block out the sigs when viewing posts. if you do have a question or some helpful information about someone's tank and the question is not regarding their tanks, do it in a pm.

i do enjoy a good debate as long as it does not turn into a personal attack.
 

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