Lily Rose's 64L Tank Cycle

Thanks rebrn. I really likr my plants. but I'm starting to think I need to change the substrate, The plants are able to move relatively easily like when I'm adding ammonia and stirring it a little. I think I need to buy a smaller gravel, or even partial sand. what do you think?

this mornings results are
ammonia 0ppm..... added 2 1/2mls ammonia
nitrite 5+ppm ggrrrrrrr
nitrate 5ppm
pH 8.2/8.4
 
hi waterdrop. yes the temp has been 29 degrees for ages now . is that still ok?
 
Hello, 29 C is fine for cycling, but no idea if it is still ok for plants, I'll one of the others comment on that. As for the substrate I have sand in all my tanks and love it (I just used play sand), but with sand you do need to stir it to prevent air pockets from forming. These air pockets that form can be toxic so stiring is essential. You can get some Mylasian Trumpet snails to help with that (just be careful not to overfeed or you will have a population explosion), or you can do as I do and stir the sand your self with the weekly water changes. But with live plants I am not to sure if you can go with all sand of if you need to have something else.
 
what about a finer gravel, smaller bits would that do as an inbetween of sand and gravel?
 
Any grain size between sands and gravels is fine, its personal taste but as said you have to adjust your maintenance techniques to the particular substrate you choose (gravel being clearly easier for beginners but the extra techniques of sand not being too hard for beginners to master if they are motivated.) Plants nearly all have a wide range of temps they'll be fine in and having the warmer cycling temps won't bother them. The problems of plants and cycling are all about the light, ammonia and algae -- you have to keep the light hours quite low to help discourage the algae which will pretty inevitably be triggered by the ammonia and light.

~~waterdrop~~
 
this evenings results are
ammonia 0ppm
nitrites 5+ppm
nitrates 5.0ppm
pH 8.2
 
thanks waterdrop....actually getting fed up of same results, but I guess its doing what it should. I think my tank will have an algae problem as I keep finding some... I'm not keen on Pleco's ( sorry all you pleco lovers) are you able to advise on an animal that would be a great alternative? also still thinking of stocking ideas..... I have always loved Bettas, and I am even considering buying one for this tank...... good idea or not? which community fish would live happily beside him.... I love the CT type. and I have seen one in a local lfs ( we have loads of lfs in our area.....8 i think)which I would love to give a home to. hes blue, turquoise and red... ab fab.... but what to go with him..... i love gupies but i understand they may be a nono, and i love platys and any tetra.... talking of tetra, is it only the neon type that need to go into a mature tank, or can any of the others go into a new tank.... i.e.lemon tetra, cardinal tetra, glowlight tetra, endlers,
 
this mornings results are
ammonia 0ppm
nitrite 5+ppm
nitrate 40ppm
pH 8
 
In the old days there used to be these thoughts that you should have "catfish" (by which we meant cories) to "clean up" the bottom (which they don't necessarily actually do.) Now we see cories as delightful shoal fish in their own right. Likewise we used to talk of "getting an algae eater" (which, in my small USA world, meant get a Plec (aka Sucker), which would look weird, stay stuck to the glass and would hopefully clean up algae.) (the UK has its own separate lingo for all this stuff!) Anyway, we now also look at "plecs" and "otos" as individual fish with individual per-species diet likes/dislikes. There's actually no requirement that one have any of these fish (we now keep the gravel quite clean via the weekly gravel-clean-water-change, thankyou) unless you are actually interested in have the fish because you particularly like it! Oto is short for (I'm not going to look it up, somebody will insert I'm sure (otocinculus?)) a little twig of a fish that only eats algae and in fact easily dies if you don't have -enough- algae! Plecs of course come in a vast array of different types and looks. One other thing to mention is that of course all these fish also come up because its true that people like to consider having fish that stay in all 3 zones, top, middle and bottom of the tank and a lot of these are bottom zone fish. But of course how much a given species sticks to a zone or roams out of it varies a lot too and there's no requirement that one have fish for the bottom zone.

Yes, neons/cards are one of the only types of tetra that immediately springs to mind as having this odd "wait" requirement. Many others are absolutely fine in a first stocking. The interesting thing about tetras that a beginner needs to get up to speed on is that although there are many types that are just fabulous as community members, there are others that are quite aggressive, so you -have- to do your research on the individual species. We can all help but it goes better if you do your homework first and mention your findings in your query. (bleeding hearts, lemons, black skirts all spring to mind as nippers, neon/cards, glowlights, head/taillights, rummynoses, scissors I remember as not nippers generally) All tetras can can exhibit nasty nipping behaviour if not in minimum or larger shoal groupings.

Livebearers (guppies, endlers, platies, swordtails, mollies, etc.) have strong pros and cons for beginners (makes it hard!) because the whole experience of fish having babies has a long popular history in the hobby and many people have had some of it as a kid and want to reproduce it for their kids too or just like it themselves. Its true it can be a wonderful experience but also as a beginner its good to consider some of the problems: The fry create a surprising addition in bioload on the filter (like adding more new fish) and can quickly cause you to be overstocked, despite having perhaps made a good stocking plan earlier! Sometimes new fry drive one to need new equipment for the existing tank or even to feel the need for a new "fry tank" and so this can all get involved and expensive. Nearly all fish eat some percentage of their new fry and of course this can be one of the more challanging aspects of the experience for kids. So decisions need to be made: Are livebearers the right thing for the first tank or should one be a beginner for a year and a half and -then- try the livebearer thing. Its great either way but I just like to help people think it through beforehand.

~~waterdrop~~
 
thankyou waterdrop
I do intend, to only buy male platys, and male guppies, and male albino corys,,,, so breeding wont be a problem...

but I bought a new 86L tank today for a betta fish so I am going to be starting again too
 
I know the tank is huge, but I may swop tanks with the 64L eventually...we'll see. I would prefer to make the larger tank a community tank, so I get get more pretty fish into it. We'll see. I need to get a 9ft long 4 plug extension lead and then I can start cycling the 90L tank ( I worked it out to be 86L although the maunfacterer says its a 90L...so i dunno)Also thinking of putting Norman's Lampeye in with the Betta ( If I can find a lfs which stocks them) or some cloud mountain minnows....would that work?

Todays results are
Ammonia 0ppm
Nitrite 5+.... However the colour change is slowing down,... instead of going deep purple..horid grey straight away.... its going a nice purple like at the 0.50ppm then turns grey 2 minutes later...then a minute later it goes pale green...so does this sound good news

Nitrate 5.0ppm
pH 8
 
On the plus side, your second cycle will be quicker as you will be able to use some of the media from ytour current tank if it's fully cycled.
 

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