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alright so i did readings of my tap (i got the water from fresh tap in my tank bucket(would taht affect my readings? i used it to empty my other tank that well lets say had me off to a bad start and had some ammonia(from goldfish) in it)) anyways here are the readings and the pics



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i know these pics are not so great for i am in the basement and the lighting aint so great and i dont have a digi cam just my phone :(

anyways the readings are

PH: 7.6+
ammonia: 0.25-0.50 (ammonia in tap? :( or should i not get water from the bucket of fresh tap?)
nitrites: 0
Nitrates: 5.0


i have not started adding ammonia yet heck i dont even know how much so yea this all looks very hard and umm detailed but im trying my best
 
Its actually fairly common to find ammonia and nitrates in tap water. Are you in the UK?

In the long run it will mean doing more frequent but smaller water changes I believe, the idea being that a smaller amount gets diluted more and then your filter will process it.

For fishless cycling, it just means that you will put in a small bit less pure ammonia to reach the 5ppm or 3ppm or whatever amount of ammonia you are aiming for at a given moment during the fishless cycling process. That's not really a problem because you are supposed to reach the amount by testing, starting low, and gradually coming up to the right amount while doing more testing.

Its great that you've got your liquid-based test kit and are testing your tap water. Many beginners do not think to start off telling us these things in nice clear steps. As you continue to keep the members informed, you'll want to remind us frequently of your tank size and when you started putting in ammonia and lots of details.. details are very good to post.

Have you been able to find the right type of ammonia yet?

Don't worry about buckets. Simple rinsing in tap water will be fine for buckets.

~~waterdrop~~
 
tank size: 30ish gallons (31.5 sumfin sumfin) 3ft by 1 ft by 18 inches
Filter: MarineLand Emperor 400(rated for 80 gallon tanks 400 gph)
Heater: 150 watt heater
hood lamp and stuff

yes i found 10% ammonia solution from ace hardware not cheap but its ammonia its 10% ammonia and i think 90% water(no bubbles or anything)

im in the USA kansas(dont see alot of ppl here in kansas) so ya about my PH though im figuring for tiger barbs

also i looked at smudgers topic(he got great support) so im hoping for the same ill keep updates and stuff thanks for the reply waterdrop :D


*edit* havnt added ammonia yet gotta do the 1 gallon ammonia thingy and stuff lol so yea do you want the readings of the tank water after i add the ammonia?
 
Probably a little easier to do two gallons if you have a bigger bucket, just makes the test a little less sensitive. I did it my keeping track of drops, just plain counting drops, but you can also play with graduated cylinders or measured syringes if you want to go that way. Later, after I'd done drops a couple times I figured out how many drops were in a full squirt of my glass dropper, and I started just using squirts as that was close enough. Testing can tell you if you are too far off.

In hindsight I think it'd be worth it to find a syringe at the drugstore that had nice fine graduation marks so you could know you had good control over your amounts. Having two is useful because you can always keep one only for ammonia and use the other one only with water when filling your testing tubes to their mark.

If you were to search back among many fishless cycling threads of the past year, you'd probably see a few where the poster was able to make things really clear to everyone. Date,time-of-day,amt NH3 added, test results for NH3,NO2,NO3,pH (not all tests need be done at all times of course.) Some ppl would just go back and do an edit on their post that had the data in it, others would periodically just repost the whole list after several days or a week or something.

~~waterdrop~~
 
i feel like im going into a battlefeild with just a shirt and jeans lol so im trying to get all the materials i need, i dont have a dropper but i do have measuring spoons but eh i guess one day couldnt hurt, i have a bucket and everything though i will prolly post new stats and everything once i start getting the right ammonia in. so i guess its goodnight for now thanks for the support and the advice!!! :D
 
Ah, one day! Adding fish is a special day, a reward to think about way down the road after a lot of learning, but the learning itself is so fun! Patience is such a big part of getting yourself into the essence of the hobby. The hobby at its best I think is all about quiet, calm and peaceful beauty. Its the antithesis of most of your modern world, the news, the computers, the music, the entertainment juggernaut. Your tank is going to be a place for you to escape all that and you want to learn how to create the best water possible for your fish so they will show their colors and happiness!

So this thing of fishless cycling is not a thing to be impatient about but a curiosity to be interested in itself. It gives you time to get the feel of things you are not familiar with, like pH and testing and water changes, all sorts of little signs that are feedback to you. Fishless cycling is wonderful in a way because the fish are not there and you can do things to the water like very large percentage changes or other things to recover from mistakes, without any fish getting hurt or in the way.

Believe me, in the end it all seems gone in a flash and then you can settle back to the final tank and fish, which will be there to be maintained basically forever, until there is some big reason to make a change. But the knowledge of your tank, water and filter that you picked up during the cycling is invaluable in your confidence level during all that long time of maintenance to come in the future.

OK, so back to specifics, your initial job is going to be easy. You're just going to figure out how to get your water to 5ppm ammonia level, just a tad darker than matching the 4ppm color shown on the card. Just keep good notes on your number of drops and retest and see how it looks. Once you get the newly filled tank to 5ppm it will just sit there. The initial few bacterial cells that will start eating the ammonia and dividing into more cells will not be detectable by your ammonia test for quite some time. Eventually though, you will see a drop in the ammonia level and will know the "A-Bacs" are growing. Get your aquarium spiral bound notebook going and figure out how you'll make good entries. My habit was to always enter a line of info each morning and evening when I tested. It can be a bit hard to make yourself write down things that seem "obvious" at the moment, but they'll be useful later.

~~waterdrop~~
 
alright i added ammonia(30 drops) today and i also did a high ph test and im a bit worried heres a pic and stats below



PH: 8 (is this ok? :( i not how can i lower it?)
ammonia: 4 ish i jsut added the ammonia
nitrites: 0 of course xP
nitrates: still at 5

so yea should i just test the water everyday around 3? wehen should i expect an ammonia drop?
 
well thats a releif to hear, so they will be ok for tiger barbs and other barbs?
 
A pH of 8 is a bit high for most barbs, but I reckon your pH will drop as the cycle progresses. Adding ammonia raises the pH a bit, and as soon as the ammonia is gone the pH will be back to normal as well. In a typical established tank the pH will be lower than in tap water, so I wouldn't worry about it at this point.
 
well lets hope it does go down ill have the stats for the first day seeya guys later :D
 
Next time oyu add ammonia, I would start with a teaspoon and measure the result. You may find that a lot easier than counting drops.
 
alright this is day two ive noticed a brown collection of like brown bubbles it seems to be around the tank but like in small amounts i do remember seeing brown spots on the old filter pads that came with the tank anyways also the stats of the water test day two (24 hours from ammonia adding)
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PH: a little lower than 8 but eh still brown
Ammonia: 2-4
nitrite: 0
nitrate: didnt test pretty sure itll be 5

and heres the spot
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