Karawr - Fishless Cycle

Yeah definitely... when it comes down to it I guess I'm glad they were wrong about the fish!! Gives me time to finish my cycle...

I think the heater is doing the best it can. I'm assuming the problem lies with the cold room the tank is in (it isn't very well insulated). But now that the temp is warming up, I can see the temp rising!! It is just at 80 today!
 
Well today nitrite was 0 after 24 hours. Ammonia isn't quite 0 but I wouldn't say it's 0.25ppm. It's getting there. :)

I think tomorrow I will do a 12 hour test.

Edit: Well after a 12 hour test it is 1ppm. Which isn't that bad, considering my progress!! I'm happy with it. :good:

Will continue to dose 4ppm in the evenings.
 
My pH crashed to 6... what now!?!?!?! Will do a full water change right away.

EDIT: I've done like a 95% water change, got as much water out as I could. Filled it up again and am now hoping for the best...

I don't really know what happens with a pH crash.. if it's incredibly bad, if it's ruined my cycle, if it's okay... what. I hope someone can reassure me. :-(
 
I don't think its a big deal... just add some baking soda (sodium bicarbonate) to raise the pH and offer some buffering capacity.
 
Will it continue to drop once my cycle is finished and I start to introduce fish? Do I have to buy something to keep it stable now? Ughhhhhhhhh. Sorry, I'm getting really frustrated!! :angry:

I have another tank and the pH has never dropped before.
 
No, you are addidg sodium bicarbonate during cycling only. 1-2 teaspoons per 50L.
You need to check the ph levels daily at this stage.
Your fish wont produce the type of waste levels on a daily basis that you are currently introducing into the system with ammonia dosing so the buffering capacity will be fine.
When you have fish in there you will be doing regular water changes as well.
Ph is related to several factors and you wont need any off the shelf products.
If you go down the planted co2 route then you will need to do some more reading i believe.
 
So, I'll be adding roughly 2tsp for my 20g. And I assume I only add this if my pH continues to drop after last nights w/c?

I will definitely be checking pH daily now... has this slowed down my cycle?

Also, last night I added a piece of sponge that's been sitting in my other filter for a little over a week now. I'm hoping this might help a bit. :unsure:


EDIT: today pH is 7.6 yay. :) Looks like it hasn't dropped since last night!! Of course, will continue to test. Should I be adding baking soda anyways to bring it up to 8 since the bacteria likes that?

I dosed 2ppm last night after w/c and this morning after 12 hours it's 0.25ppm. Nitrite 0. Still can't get that ammonia down..
 
pH 7.2 today so I will be adding 2tsp of baking soda.

After adding the baking soda it raised to 8.2. :good:
 
I've been dosing 3ppm and it still only goes to 0.25ppm in 24 hours. Is this just the fate of my tanks?? lol

I have a 75g running Rena XP3 with a turtle and 5 fish... and ammonia is always 0.25ppm no matter what I do.
 
Are you sure your tap water isn't coming in with ammonia? That's pretty common and not a big deal really. Usually a well-cycled filter will get rid of residual ammonia that comes in via the tap fairly quickly and you'll get a zero ppm reading. An older tank that can't keep ammonia at zero might need more frequent filter maintenance, more frequent gravel-clean-water-changes or both, or a larger and/or better filter might be needed.

Those are just some quick thoughts, I've not had time to read all your posts and study the situation.

~~waterdrop~~
 
Yes the tap has 0 ammonia but I will test again. Can I test straight from the tap or should I let water sit for 24 hours or something?

The other filter (Rena XP3) is over rated for a 75g. Here are the specs: xP3 175 U.S. gal : 350 U.S. gal/hr (660L 1,350L/hr). Could my ceramic rings need a replacement? I bought the filter used so I have no idea how old they are.

I clean the filter (in tank water) every month-month & a half or so. I clean the tank nearly 50% every week.

It's been running almost a year. Mind you I didn't cycle it when I set it up (I was just ignorant) and I did W/C with tap water (no dechlorinator) because I was told I didn't need to add it to my tank!! But still it's been running 8~9 months properly (that is with dechlorinated water!!) so I don't see why the bacteria isn't taking down the ammonia! :(
 
I'm beginning to wonder if I am seeing the colours wrong. -__- It just all seems very suspicious.

Tap looks to be 0ppm to me. Maybe it is ever so slightly green, so maybe 0.25ppm!! UGH! So hard to tell. Wish there was more of a contrast lol. I even go outside, try different rooms, etc, to look for colour change.

Even so, the filter still isn't handling getting that last 0.25 to 0 -_-

I'm wondering if I should try another 90% w/c and not dose any ammonia, and see where it's at 12 hours later. I wonder if it would be 0...
 
Karawr, I have a single XP3 filtering a 120 gallon, 6 foot long, tank by itself. It will not prevent any waste solids from building up on the surface of my substrate but it has more than enough biofiltration for my tank. I run that tank rather heavily stocked and never have any problem losing fish in it from chemical poisoning, although I sometimes see a fish die of old age at several years in my tank. I have no idea what you are seeing that leads you to believe that the ammonia processing suddenly stops at 0.25 ppm of ammonia unless you are reading the results wrong. Even if the filter were not performing well, a test a few hours after a 0.25 ppm result should read a solid zero. I only trust my API kit result when I read a test tube with the tube touching the white area of the card and a sun light source from a window over my shoulder. Fluorescent lighting can distort colors and direct lighting can make a color hard to judge. If you walk out into the sunshine and try to read a color, it will be so washed out you won't be able to judge it at all. That is why I stay indoors and let the light come through a window at my back. I want good light, not extreme light. I read the lightest color that I can see with that tube against the card and compare it to the card's colors. More often than not the result is quite obvious to me when I do it that way.
If you want to test tap water, be certain to dechlorinate it first. Chloramine is a combination of chlorine and ammonia, so breaking that bond can result in seeing some ammonia. In my own tap water that comes to about 1 ppm of ammonia in dechlorinated tap water. Since I treat my tap water with Prime, I do not worry about the traces of ammonia that are left behind from my tap water. The ammonia portion is processed by my filter before it can revert to the more dangerous form of ammonia.
 
If you have an XP3 on a heavily stocked 120g, then I am feeling very concerned. I heard there are sometimes false readings when using Prime and API test kit; but I wouldn't think this would affect test results a couple days after using Prime. I guess I'm not doing it right. Or the API is reading the free ammonia or whatever that non-toxic stuff is. Or my kit is messed up. :rolleyes:

I put the test tube against the white, as you do. And I normally do my readings in a room where the light is shining through the window right behind me.

Whatever this is getting all too complicated/suspicious. I think I'm going to try to return the test kit so I can get a new one and see what's happening.

Edit: got a new test kit
 
Now that my cycle is soon coming to a close I'm left thinking about stocking...

I am for sure getting 10 corydoras habrosus, but due to certain circumstances, these will be the first fish I am getting. I am a little concerned that, because they are so small, the bioload will be less and some bacteria will die. How can I prevent this?

I also want to get a clown pleco. If I add the 10 habrosus with the pleco, would this be a big enough bio load?

I will be getting a school of tetras too, later down the line (haven't picked which one yet).

Considering this, what are my options??
 

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