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The Duke

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Anyone used this? Supposed to half the cycling time which Interpet say an be done in a fortnight. Add a dose to a new filter every two days whilst cycling and voila!!!
 
one of supposed 'live' bacteria products which nobody seems to have proved actually works.
 
I must admit I used a similar product when cycling a small aquarium last year. The cycle took about 4 days!! Whether what I used made any difference I don't know
 
Most feel it doesn't work but it doesn't hurt anything to add it to your tank.
 
Duke, if you have a product that can cycle a tank's filter in 4 days we must know what it is. I have used tons of these bacteria in a bottle products and have never seen one yet that did anything but cost me money. Accelerating a cycle was never the result for me.
 
Duke, if you have a product that can cycle a tank's filter in 4 days we must know what it is. I have used tons of these bacteria in a bottle products and have never seen one yet that did anything but cost me money. Accelerating a cycle was never the result for me.
I second that!
 
Meh - I've never paid for any. It usually comes with new tanks these days.
 
Both DrTims One and Only and Tetra's SafeStart both contain the proper bacteria for the rapid cycling of a new tank. However, if the product is mishandled before one gets it, that is allowing it to freeze or get over 95-100F, it will likely not work well if at all as these temps can kill the bacteria. Also Dr tims contains a date packaged (not sure on the Tetra). Ideally it sould be used within 6 months of the date and never if a year over. At the older age it will still work but much much more slowly. This can be somewhat mitigated by storing it about 50F.

Now folks who fail to follow the directions properly and then don't get the results promised usually resort to claiming the product doesn't work. Dr Tims sure worked fine for me twice now. Well I cheated. I dosed 1/2 the amount and finished up with ammonia dosing. But I didn't need an almost instant cycle I needed a jump start free of any other bacteria that would result from seeding from another tank. I used the half dose as it allowed me to do this twice for the price of once.


There are a number a large public aquariums who have used the sw product to get tanks of up to 1,000,000 gallons cycled fast. So ask yourself, would you fill a million gallon sw tank with inhabitants if you had not thoroughly investigated whether the cycling product worked or not? Would you even have bought it if you did not have adequate evidence that it worked?
 
Both DrTims One and Only and Tetra's SafeStart both contain the proper bacteria for the rapid cycling of a new tank. However, if the product is mishandled before one gets it, that is allowing it to freeze or get over 95-100F, it will likely not work well if at all as these temps can kill the bacteria. Also Dr tims contains a date packaged (not sure on the Tetra). Ideally it sould be used within 6 months of the date and never if a year over. At the older age it will still work but much much more slowly. This can be somewhat mitigated by storing it about 50F.

Now folks who fail to follow the directions properly and then don't get the results promised usually resort to claiming the product doesn't work. Dr Tims sure worked fine for me twice now. Well I cheated. I dosed 1/2 the amount and finished up with ammonia dosing. But I didn't need an almost instant cycle I needed a jump start free of any other bacteria that would result from seeding from another tank. I used the half dose as it allowed me to do this twice for the price of once.


There are a number a large public aquariums who have used the sw product to get tanks of up to 1,000,000 gallons cycled fast. So ask yourself, would you fill a million gallon sw tank with inhabitants if you had not thoroughly investigated whether the cycling product worked or not? Would you even have bought it if you did not have adequate evidence that it worked?


I am still very dubious. What do the bacteria feed on when in the bottle for weeks or even months on end before use?


Tom
 
I am still very dubious. What do the bacteria feed on when in the bottle for weeks or even months on end before use?


Tom

They don't feed, they are in a dormant state with only their food source 'detectors' using up any energy which is provided by internal energy stores (just as we use up body fat when we fast).
 
There are a number a large public aquariums who have used the sw product to get tanks of up to 1,000,000 gallons cycled fast. So ask yourself, would you fill a million gallon sw tank with inhabitants if you had not thoroughly investigated whether the cycling product worked or not? Would you even have bought it if you did not have adequate evidence that it worked?

That defeats your own usual argument because Seachem Stability is also used by large public aquaria, if their publicity is to be believed, and that contains nitrosomonas and nitrobacter, along with various heterotrophs. No mention of nitrosospira and nitrospira.

So you may have to rethink your logic...I have my own suspicions as to what's really going on.
 
Er thanks for your replies......I think

Bottom line is it can do no harm to use them and may very well do some good. But they are meant for fish-in cycles (very lightly stocked) and we normally recommend fishless so you probably won't find anyone recommending them for that reason alone.
 

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