when i saw the ingredient in the med it brought me right back to my college days taking aquaculture. typically, emamectin benzoate is used to treat ectoparasites like fish lice and gill flukes-not so much for internal stuff. it is also used as an insecticide. i did a quick google of the stuff, and i couldnt find any info on its uses for internal infestations (such as trematodes or roundworms, etc.). there was a little evidence that it *could* be useful for "wroms" as it is related to ivermectin-a very common animal de-wormer used on farm animals and domestic animals alike. so could be useful if you could get the fish to take it internally.
Internal Parasites?
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He's still fat but still not eating. He kind of approaches food but doesn't actually go for it. This is progressig differently to the previous ones. They were skinny by now. His fatness isn't like a proper swelling and def. no scales sticking out. I wonder if it's the throat area being sunken that's making his belly look fat?
loraxchick, I had tried king british disease clear with a silver compound as the active ingredient and sterazin by waterlife. No mention of the active ingredient in that, but it does say not to use with shrimp etc, so prob. copper?
With him not eating, no way I can really get him to take it internally. Might it be worth soaking some food in it for the others though?
Wilder, is there any other med I could try that's available in UK?
Thanks
loraxchick, I had tried king british disease clear with a silver compound as the active ingredient and sterazin by waterlife. No mention of the active ingredient in that, but it does say not to use with shrimp etc, so prob. copper?
With him not eating, no way I can really get him to take it internally. Might it be worth soaking some food in it for the others though?
Wilder, is there any other med I could try that's available in UK?
Thanks
What does it look like now when the fish go to the toilet.
After using the internal wormer you are meant to back up with a internal bacteria med.
You really need to have tests done on a dead fish. As if you have lost quite a few fish to deformed jaws, need to rule out fish tb.
After using the internal wormer you are meant to back up with a internal bacteria med.
You really need to have tests done on a dead fish. As if you have lost quite a few fish to deformed jaws, need to rule out fish tb.
GuppyGoddess
Fish Herder
Hi,
I've had this problem with every guppy I've had. They start out as teenagers (the age I adopt them), are fine for a few months, and then they thin up to the point of looking skeletal (severely sunken belly). The problem is compounded by the fact that they DON'T stop eating or dying on their own, so I've had to euthanize them. Yesterday morning was the first time I found a dead guppy in my tank (and she hadn't gotten that look yet). All the rest were put to sleep.
I treated the tank for camallanus worms and didn't find any worms in the tank (only had one fish with the VERY tiny paintbrush worms and took him out right away).
I'm pretty sure the guppies have TB. I'm not sure what to do because it's my son's tank and I don't want to toss it. I also do not want to buy a whole new set-up and then possibly infect that equipment.
It's a huge pain!
ETA - oh, I forgot to mention, that I do notice that when the fish become sicker, their eyes develop that black coloring. It seems to come and go a bit, but it came to my attention even before I read about it online, so it's not like I was looking for it. It was a visable change that I noticed by studying the fish.
The thinned out guppy you have looks identical to how mine looked as the illness progressed.
I've had this problem with every guppy I've had. They start out as teenagers (the age I adopt them), are fine for a few months, and then they thin up to the point of looking skeletal (severely sunken belly). The problem is compounded by the fact that they DON'T stop eating or dying on their own, so I've had to euthanize them. Yesterday morning was the first time I found a dead guppy in my tank (and she hadn't gotten that look yet). All the rest were put to sleep.
I treated the tank for camallanus worms and didn't find any worms in the tank (only had one fish with the VERY tiny paintbrush worms and took him out right away).
I'm pretty sure the guppies have TB. I'm not sure what to do because it's my son's tank and I don't want to toss it. I also do not want to buy a whole new set-up and then possibly infect that equipment.
It's a huge pain!
ETA - oh, I forgot to mention, that I do notice that when the fish become sicker, their eyes develop that black coloring. It seems to come and go a bit, but it came to my attention even before I read about it online, so it's not like I was looking for it. It was a visable change that I noticed by studying the fish.
The thinned out guppy you have looks identical to how mine looked as the illness progressed.
/www.fishyfarmacy.com/articles/mycobacteriosis.htmlHis eyes really look the same as the others, black centre with a ring of goldy colour around the outside. You can see quite well in the pics actually. I've just tried to catch him to have a better look and, no chance. He's perfectly perky and easily outmanoeuvred the net.
In the uk antibiotics are only available from a vet i'm afraid.
I would ring the vets and tell them about your fish, and go in with some pics.
They might percribe the antibiotic for you.
But they also will charge you a consultant fee.
I would ring the vets and tell them about your fish, and go in with some pics.
They might percribe the antibiotic for you.
But they also will charge you a consultant fee.
Could have mentioned that!
Is it worth following up with one when I do the second dose and what would be best to use?And I haven't seen any poo from this one.
Medicated bacterial food the best, but not sure if you can get hold of it in the uk.
My choice would be furanol by jbl, but it wipes the beneifical bacteria out in the filter.
If you have other tanks you could always take a nature sponge from anoter tank, to kick the tank again.
How long is before you redose after the first round of internal parasite med.
My choice would be furanol by jbl, but it wipes the beneifical bacteria out in the filter.
If you have other tanks you could always take a nature sponge from anoter tank, to kick the tank again.
How long is before you redose after the first round of internal parasite med.
Redose next Fri, 19th Feb. I only have a couple of small betta tanks so no real source of mature media.
I spoke to me vets. They said the only place to get a fish tested was DEFRA, they'd need a live one and it would be expensive. Just waiting for a call back from a vet specialising in fish.
Vet gave me the number of what turned out to be a LFS. Was on the phone to the lady for 15 mins and she thought it was hardness. My kH is low, about 5, but I gave up putting drops in to test the gH, it was off the scale. She recommended a water softener or dilution with rainwater/distilled water with minerals added to get the gH down. For the added minerals she said minerol by esha which would also deal with residual damage the fish have already suffered.
I'll report back with what the vet says if I get to speak to him.
I spoke to me vets. They said the only place to get a fish tested was DEFRA, they'd need a live one and it would be expensive. Just waiting for a call back from a vet specialising in fish.
Vet gave me the number of what turned out to be a LFS. Was on the phone to the lady for 15 mins and she thought it was hardness. My kH is low, about 5, but I gave up putting drops in to test the gH, it was off the scale. She recommended a water softener or dilution with rainwater/distilled water with minerals added to get the gH down. For the added minerals she said minerol by esha which would also deal with residual damage the fish have already suffered.
I'll report back with what the vet says if I get to speak to him.
If it turns out to be fish tb, the beneifical bacteria wants wiping out anyway.
The only problem with furanol it dosn't treat fish tb.
You need antibiotics that treat fish tb like kanamcycin,tetracycline, minocycline.
Kanamycin + Vitamin B-6 for 30 days is the most effective treatment that we know of for tuberculosis. The fish should be quarantined during treatment time. Liquid baby vitamins found at your local pharmacy are a good source of vitamin B-6. One drop per every 5 gallons of aquarium water is sufficient. Replace the vitamins according to how much water is changed in the tank during treatment time.
The only problem with furanol it dosn't treat fish tb.
You need antibiotics that treat fish tb like kanamcycin,tetracycline, minocycline.
Kanamycin + Vitamin B-6 for 30 days is the most effective treatment that we know of for tuberculosis. The fish should be quarantined during treatment time. Liquid baby vitamins found at your local pharmacy are a good source of vitamin B-6. One drop per every 5 gallons of aquarium water is sufficient. Replace the vitamins according to how much water is changed in the tank during treatment time.
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