Internal Parasites?

[ellena]

Tank size: 25l
pH:
ammonia:0
nitrite:0
nitrate:10
kH:
gH:
tank temp:27

Fish Symptoms (include full description including lesion, color, location, fish behavior): about 2 weeks ago I noticed an endler was looking a bit skinny and 'dazed'. He almost died a few months ago when a mystery disease killed off over half the fish in that tank (Thread here) and he'd looked a bit weakly ever since. He was eating but then started taking food into his mouth and then spitting it out. I noticed white stringy poo, so I starting treatment with sterazin for internal parasites. He died before the second dose, but I carried on and finished the course. Now another one is looking the same-sunken belly, so jaw is protruding, and spitting food out. Haven't seen this one's poo. So, repeat sterazin, or try something else?

Volume and Frequency of water changes:50% weekly

Chemical Additives or Media in your tank:

Tank inhabitants:10 endlers

Recent additions to your tank (living or decoration):

Exposure to chemicals:

Digital photo (include if possible): Have you seen how small and fast endlers are?

 

[WILDER]

I would buy this worming med and treat the whole tank.
http/www.thegreenmachineaquatics.com/mall/productpage.cfm/Aquatics/_nematol%20001/198936

Sterazin by waterlife no good on camallanous worms.

Is it possible to load a pic up of the jaw of the fish.
Can you make a list of all the fish that died and what symtoms they showed before death.

 

[ellena]

I lost this one too Now another is showing signs, so I've bought the med you suggested. Hope it gets here in time.

 

[ellena]

So, some pics. Some with, some without flash, its the same fish though. Just after feeding, so you can see it's sunken belly compared to the other fishes' rounded ones.

There is a pattern with it. First the waggling kind of swim and the slightly dazed look. When eating, belly rounds out still, with slight sinking behind jaw just visible. Then belly becomes sunken, starts to spit out food, within a few days, it dies. This may have been what caused the original mass death as the only symptom then was emaciation.
Looking up callamanus worms I have never seen them protruding from the anus. Saying that, these fish never stay still. Looking at the size though, would they infect a fish this tiny?
Everything else as in original post.
Anything else come to mind seeing the pics?

 

[WILDER]

Bless them.

Keep a look out for more symtoms, as being thin can also be fish tb.
Internal parasites can also pass to other fish by sucking an infected fish poo up.
Also internal parasites can pass onto the fry when there inside the mother.

 

[ellena]

They are all always sucking up others poo if a bit floats by, then spitting it out. I have only ever had males, so no breeding going on.
What other symptoms might indicate fish TB?

 

[WILDER]

Here a link to fish tb.
Also tb can cause black patches, of blacking of the skin, or the eyes turn black. The iris of the eye will look black.

http/www.torrens.org.uk/NatHist/Aqua/disease/tb.html

 

[ellena]

Can't see any signs of that. I've used the med today. It's a one off treatment with a follow up in 3 weeks for any eggs missed.

 

[WILDER]

Ok.
Let me know how you get on if you don't mind.
Good Luck.

 

[ellena]

I think there's another one He is slightly different. He hasn't got the dazed look, but he does have the protruding jaw and today he was picking at food and spitting it out. His belly looked quite swollen before I fed them too. Here's a pic and another I've drawn a line on to show what the other normal fish look like.

That's after feeding, but as I say he ate nothing and looked like that before. The slight good news is that he's still very fast. It took 34 shots to get this one!

 

[WILDER]

Bless Him.
Have you seen the fish eat with the deformed jaw. As if not he will starve to death.Spitting food out can be a symtoms of internal parasites, or he can't eat with the deformed jaw.
Could the deformed jaw be any injury.

How you treated for internal parasites yet.
I would also keep an eye on the fish for tb symtoms.

 

[ellena]

His jaw has only just gone like that, and all the ones who died where the same at first. It would be odd for the same injusry to occur over and over again? I watched him try to eat but he kept spitting it out.
I treated with the nematode stuff you recommended, 1 dose, an 80% wc 2 days later, then another dose due 3 weeks later.

 

[loraxchick]

is that med in a powder? what are the active ingredients? you might be able to mix your own food-if you dont already have anti-internal food. would be necessary to treat the water again if you feed medicated food.
did the treatments help at all? was there a delay in different fishes getting these symptoms?
all the best.
cheers

 

[ellena]

It's a liquid med active ingredient emamectin benzoate.
One fish at a time had been getting it every week or so and if this one has got it, the meds didn't change that.
I saw him at feeding time last night, he was still fat. Couldn't see him all the rest of the night though

 

[WILDER]

Are any fish gaining weight now.

If he can't eat I would put him out of his misery.

If you lost fish to the samething it not sounding to good.
If you ever have any cuts on your hands, or arms, wear gloves when putting them in the tank.

If you have anymore dead fish, bag the fish up and place in the freezer.
Then contact a vet to see if tests can be done on the fish.