Gave them dose 2 today. White spots were gone. They all looked happy until I put the dose in LOL
Ich??
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fishorama52 2
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I'm old school too. Malachite is my go to med for ich...but it contains copper. That will kill inverts like snails & shrimp even months or years later; it can (often) stays in the silicone tank seals. So you may never be able to keep inverts ever again...I wonder if it's my soft water or copper at some time that makes keeping inverts difficult for me now. Just be aware...
API Super Ich Cure doesn't contain copper so I should be good.
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My understanding is Malachite green itself contains copper to some degree, hence the turquoise color.
Malachite is a typical secondary mineral. It originates by decomposition of primary copper minerals - usually copper sulfides like chalcopyrite, tetrahedrite, bornite, copper oxide cuprite or native copper. Sulfides are minerals which originate in the reducing environment without oxygen. When erosion reaches the level of the sulfide deposit, the surface water, oxygen, CO2 and other substances interact with sulfides and cause their oxidation and decomposition into secondary minerals. Copper sulfides decompose into a wide variety of green and blue carbonates, sulfates, phosphates or even silicates. Malachite is a typical and very widespread product of such weathering of copper deposits.
Copper can be removed from our tanks with Seachem Cuprisorb.
Malachite is a typical secondary mineral. It originates by decomposition of primary copper minerals - usually copper sulfides like chalcopyrite, tetrahedrite, bornite, copper oxide cuprite or native copper. Sulfides are minerals which originate in the reducing environment without oxygen. When erosion reaches the level of the sulfide deposit, the surface water, oxygen, CO2 and other substances interact with sulfides and cause their oxidation and decomposition into secondary minerals. Copper sulfides decompose into a wide variety of green and blue carbonates, sulfates, phosphates or even silicates. Malachite is a typical and very widespread product of such weathering of copper deposits.
Copper can be removed from our tanks with Seachem Cuprisorb.
If remnant copper from Malachite green kills snails, I see no evidence of it here. Most of my tanks are 20 plus years old, and some were second hand back then. Many have had ich outbreaks over the years, and snails are happy in them - pond snails thrive in some. I'd be painting my tanks green if the traces killed snails.
I remember when direct copper based meds were all the rage for ich, as they were colourless. They fell out of the market after about 10 years, and I heard a number of stories as to why. They were a basic ingredient in killie egg incubation recipes for a while, and didn't seem to harm eggs or fry (or adults as they grew. I used them once or twice for ich, and they didn;t even kill snails. They were good for ich though - equally effective as malachite green based meds.
I remember when direct copper based meds were all the rage for ich, as they were colourless. They fell out of the market after about 10 years, and I heard a number of stories as to why. They were a basic ingredient in killie egg incubation recipes for a while, and didn't seem to harm eggs or fry (or adults as they grew. I used them once or twice for ich, and they didn;t even kill snails. They were good for ich though - equally effective as malachite green based meds.
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Just my take on meds, the size of life and dosage;
In many cases a medicine used at a strength too weak will not even harm its intended 'victim.'
The size of the form of life you are trying to kill will have an effect on the dosage of a medicine needed.
Enough copper to kill ich [ very small form of life] and the amount needed to kill snails is totally different.
The larger the form of life the more of a particular med will be needed.
Single cell and small forms of life are easier to kill with what is a safe dose for larger life.
While copper is used still mostly by marine fish keepers it could kill the very same fish if the amount used rises high enough.
I have used copper before but would never use it without a copper test kit.
In many cases a medicine used at a strength too weak will not even harm its intended 'victim.'
The size of the form of life you are trying to kill will have an effect on the dosage of a medicine needed.
Enough copper to kill ich [ very small form of life] and the amount needed to kill snails is totally different.
The larger the form of life the more of a particular med will be needed.
Single cell and small forms of life are easier to kill with what is a safe dose for larger life.
While copper is used still mostly by marine fish keepers it could kill the very same fish if the amount used rises high enough.
I have used copper before but would never use it without a copper test kit.
Here's what I found about Malachite Green:
Which means I was fooled years ago by another (*&^& common name. How long til I see a Malachite tetra?
UPDATE:
I added my 3rd dose last night. After the first dose, the spots disappeared - or I didn't look close enough. I did a water change before adding the 2bd dose, which is different than instructions call for. Then last night I checked before changing water and OMG it is WAY WORSE.
Added another dose (skipped the water change.
HERES THE WEIRD THING: No other fish has spots. See pics. Anyone seen this before? Could the Acaras have that much weaker of an immune system? I got them from Dan's fish who are very reputable and I had them for 2 or 3 months. One type of fish not pictured is a farlowella, but not seeing spots on him either.
I added my 3rd dose last night. After the first dose, the spots disappeared - or I didn't look close enough. I did a water change before adding the 2bd dose, which is different than instructions call for. Then last night I checked before changing water and OMG it is WAY WORSE.
Added another dose (skipped the water change.
HERES THE WEIRD THING: No other fish has spots. See pics. Anyone seen this before? Could the Acaras have that much weaker of an immune system? I got them from Dan's fish who are very reputable and I had them for 2 or 3 months. One type of fish not pictured is a farlowella, but not seeing spots on him either.
Could it be Epistylis? They do have spots on the eyes. The spots are very uniform like ich, though.
They are starting to pick at each other, so stress is probably up. I'm trying to identify a pair before removing the others.
They are starting to pick at each other, so stress is probably up. I'm trying to identify a pair before removing the others.
I think I'm going to add Kanaplex and my UV light. Let me know if you think this is a bad idea
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Good grief ! That looks awful on that Acara . Funny that the Black Molly doesn’t have it . If I recall correctly Black Mollies are especially susceptible to ich .
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UV light bulbs inactivate most aquarium meds.
I fed them food w Kanaplex & focus. Will add the UV light and tomorrow do a 50% water change
Oh right. Well, I'll hold off but if they're getting Kanaplex via food it will still work. I think via food is better. They are eating as usual
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