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I have a tank with 12 Glowlight tetras and a pair of Apistogramma cacatuoides that were hatched in another tank. The tetras arrived February 3, 2025. One of the tetras has a curved spine raising the possibility of TB. It’s also possible it’s a spinal injury from trauma I did not witness. Gary feels that this is TB, and he may be right. I bought the fish at a privately owned, excellent lfs. Should I cut my losses and euthanize this fish? I realize if the fish has TB the damage to the tank is already done. I don’t take euthanasia lightly.
 
Tough question. From my understanding of the fish TB it is more of an endemic issue that attacks the weaken fish unless the concentration of the organism is higher, then any fish exposed will contract it because they cannot fight off the large amount of bacteria in the water. So removing an infected individual should reduce the concentration of bacteria in the tank and would help overall. That is if the individual has TB.

On the otherhand, I have seen a lot of fish with misshaped spines that seem to be congenital defects. I especially noted this when I was breeding angelfish.

My vote would be to leave the fish as is and monitor. That risks losing the whole tank but then that might be what is going to happen anyways. But if it not TB then you still have your fish.
 
You've got to ask yourself one question. "Do I feel lucky?"
You perfectly capable of doing your own risk assessment. Ultimately only you can decide your priorities and what means to take. But take into account the quality of life for the fish. Is it swimming normally, feeding normally?
 
You've got to ask yourself one question. "Do I feel lucky?"
You perfectly capable of doing your own risk assessment. Ultimately only you can decide your priorities and what means to take. But take into account the quality of life for the fish. Is it swimming normally, feeding normally?
The fish is active and eating well.
I have made up my mind but I am curious about what others would do in this situation.
 
Yes, I admit, if it's only a hunchback, destroying the whole tank is not a good idea.

I would at least wait until other symptoms appear or other fish looks infected... This could be very long if water is kept clean.
 
It's tough. If I've bred a fish myself and it has that shape, then Ive seen it since the original injury.

If it's Myco - store quality doesn't matter. It's just there, everywhere. The best stores have it in their tanks. The only thing I've noticed is almost no Myco when I've gotten wild caught fish, unless they languished in stores with farmed ones. That makes sense to me, as crowding is Mycobacter's best friend. Whether it's prisons, slums or shipping bags...

Notice I'm ducking the real question. There just isn't enough for certainty.
 
I doubt it is TB but if it worries you then the $3 a glowlight cost it would be worth putting it down to save the aggravation. I had several blue keri (domestic) that looked like they had tb from description of symptions or other steal bacteria disease (mb); but after they died the rest did well and none showed any similar symptons 4 years later which makes me think whatever they had it either wasn't contagious or it acted so slow the fish would die a natural death on its own. Heck this guy is still alive; and as mad as mad can be that he is ;)

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You might find this introduction of interest. The paper deals with inbreeding in isolated populations, but the introduction mentions many causes of spinal deformation before getting into the isolation as a cause.

Kerniske FF, Pena Castro J, De la Ossa-Guerra LE, Mayer BA, Abilhoa V, de Paiva Affonso I, Ferreira Artoni R. 2021. Spinal malformations in a naturally isolated Neotropical fish population. PeerJ 9:e12239 https://doi.org/10.7717/peerj.12239


Introduction​

Fish species may develop different types of morphological deformities, such as dysplasia in the opercular bones, maxillary-mandibular apparatus, and mandibular bones; anomalies in fins and eyes (Mise, Tencatt & Santos, 2017); bone and skin neoplasms; and spine deformations (Flores-Lopes, Cetra & Malabarba, 2010). Dorsoventral (lordosis), lateral (scoliosis) or upward spinal curvature (kyphosis) malformations can cause anomalous body appearance (Bengtsson, Bengtsson & Himberg, 1985) and be treated as monstrosities (Golubtsov, Korostelev & Levin, 2021), but such anomalies are often not visible if only a few vertebrae are affected (Gjerde, Pante & Baeverfjord, 2005; Kvellestad et al., 2000; Witten et al., 2006). Body and skeletal malformations have been reviewed in many publications and they are related to multiple physiological, environmental, xenobiotic, nutritional and genetic factors (Slooff, 1982; Wells & Cowan, 1982; Toften, 1996; Gjerde, Pante & Baeverfjord, 2005; Jagiełło et al., 2017; Madsen, Arnbjerg & Dalsgaard, 2001). Environmental factors have been linked to vertebral anomalies in Salmo solar (Fraser et al., 2015; Ytteborg et al., 2010) and Solea senegalensis (Pimentel et al., 2014), whereas chemical substances were responsible for craniofacial deformities in Sebastiscus marmoratus (Zhang et al., 2012) and Danio rerio (Baker, Peterson & Heideman, 2013), and nutritional conditions covered a variety of deformities reported in finfish farming (Berillis, 2015; Eissa et al., 2021). Although genetic factors are usually considered marginal (reviewed in Boglione et al., 2013), alteration in extracellular matrix gene transcription in Atlantic salmon (Ytteborg et al., 2010), congenital ocular malformation and skeletal abnormalities in zebrafish (Babcock et al., 2014), deformities in bream (Afonso et al., 2000; Afonso et al., 2009) and intrinsic correlation between lordosis and consanguinity (Izquierdo, Socorro & Roo, 2010) are described in the literature. Skeletal deformities seem to be related to the early stages of development (Longwell et al., 1992), however we still know little about the genetic factors responsible for such deformations (Gjerde, Pante & Baeverfjord, 2005; Jagiełło et al., 2017; Kincaid, 1976).

Although morphological anomalies can occur both in farmed and natural fish populations, they are better investigated in aquaculture because deformities can downgrade fish production and result in economic losses (Kause et al., 2005). Culture systems usually lead to a loss of genetic variability in stocks, causing inbreeding depression and associated deformities (Aulstad & Kittelsen, 1971). Inbred populations are more susceptible to environmentally induced mortality, while also experiencing hampered growth rates and reproduction. Inbreeding can also impose difficulties for natural populations because it reduces intrapopulational genetic variability (Kause et al., 2005) and increases frequency of deleterious alleles that are normally expressed in recessive homozygotes (Keller, 2002).


You can use the link in the citation above to read the entire paper, But it mostly deals with a specific isolated population in Brazil.
 
Those articles were both interesting. I've had 1 pretty sure case & 1 possible case of TB (myco) over 40+ years. Personally I would euthanize a very distressed fish & wait & see on the other fish. I have seen bent spines in very old fish, but if they eat & act at least fairly normal I wait. @gwand, were the tetras adults? It's impossible to say how old 1 or more may be.

Treat it as a QT to see if more fish develop signs. I kept my 5 "raffle prize" praecox rainbowfish for a few months being very careful about keeping that tank's equipment separate & washing my hands thoroughly after, even if I didn't seem to touch the water. I had to euthanize 1 fish after a ~month & another a month later. after 3 or 4 months others showed signs (bent spine & sunken belly). I asked another experienced friend & she thought it was myco too.

Like the Walstad article, I had read that TB can "hide" in biofilms; almost impossible to kill. I threw away the HOB filter, there was no way I could sanitize it to my idea of safe. I soaked & scrubbed the tank with bleach & let it dry in the garage for a couple years. I was assured that drying out the tank out would have killed TB. I never could believe it was safe either, so I gave it away to some that just wanted to grow plants.

I do have a UV filter but didn't know it might have helped...or that I'd want to throw it away too if it didn't. (I had never found the UV after a move years before. Now 12 years later it magically turned up, lol).

This experience was 1 of my most traumatic, partly because it went on for so long with no way to help.

Good luck & like I said I'd wait to euthanize or panic. There's time for that later if needed :(
 
Thanks for everyone’s input. The Glowlight tetra under discussion looks terrific at the moment. Her colors are exquisite. She is very active and is eating well. I’m going to give her the benefit of the doubt and assume her curved spine is congenital in origin. I will observe her daily and if she deteriorates in any way I will remove her from the tank.
 

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