How My Npt's Going

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Well I set up my NPT Saturday the 21st and it took a bit of work. I made a few mistakes which added a few hours on to the process. But they're 1 time mistakes. Anyways, I used the Miracle-Gro Organic Potting Mix as the substrate and the plants are loving it.

First I put the fish in the bucket I bought from the dollar store and removed the gravel from the tank:
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Then I sifted out the dirt using a home made sifter (Bucket and Tape):
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Then I dirted the tank. But I added the water which made the tank messy so I scrapped the tank and added the dirt, sand and water, then the plants.
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This is the plant I used because it was the only one available at the moment at the store (and I wasn't waiting until this Thursday) I ripped it into small pieces and planted it (After a series of problems):
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So this is the finished product:
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This is what it looks like as of an hour ago:
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Some people told me that it wouldn't work, but it sure has. In 4 days I've seen the Cambombas perk up, and the Red Ludwigia had a ton of roots when I bought it. Then, all the roots shriveled up into tiny strings. Now it has grown about 10 new roots
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. I also trimmed and replanted some of the big stalks. Some of the Sword shoots have melted and I may be seeing things but it seems as if there's a few new shoots from the swords every day I look. I raised the lighting up to about 2-3WPG which helps as well. But my only problem is that the sand is too thick (1.5-2in) and when I move it, bubbles rise to the top. Also, the sand is being pushed around too much where the filter output is and I have to fix it a few times a day so it doesn't get to the dirt. The Betta seems to be getting aggressive again which is weird so I just gave him a Play-Doh cup to use as a cave in case nervousness is causing the aggressiveness. As you can see in the corner is his Ludwigia and his Play-Doh cup. That corner is his home where he likes to rest and sleep. I'm not sure if the sand bubbles is bad or anything but would like some advice. I also have another question. I saw some energy efficient bulbs at Wal-Mart which are daylight and use 13 Watts to emit 60 Watts. I want to buy these but is the wattage too high? Also, the instructions said to only use the long light bulbs in the hood but these aren't long ones. Will they still be okay? I plan on taking a picture in morning and at night every day and make a video showing how the Sword has grown until it forms a carpet. I never knew a dirted tank would do the plants so much good. I guess what I read is true, plants get about 40x? more nutrients from their roots then leaves. Thanks Diana Walstad for making a great method
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The bubbles from the sand are probably coming from traped air in the "dirt" you added below it.

Fascinating princible although I forsee a problem. What happens when your plants use up all the nutriants in the soil (I cant keep saying "dirt")? If it was my garden I would just dig in some more compost but thats gona be hard to do in a tank.


Tom
 
On your way...got the hard part done, and that was the substrate.

Your lighting question. The 13w bulb is a 60w "equivalent", but it is still only 1.3 wpg.
What do you mean by "long" bulbs only in the hood?
Tubes?
 
Fascinating princible although I forsee a problem. What happens when your plants use up all the nutriants in the soil (I cant keep saying "dirt")? If it was my garden I would just dig in some more compost but thats gona be hard to do in a tank.
The principle is that the bacteria in the soil will be constantly breaking down mulm and plant waste, and thus continuously replenishing the nutrients in the soil.
It is claimed that this process can keep the soil healthy for up to 10 years!
 
So I'll just get the 13W bulbs and use 2 to get 2.6WPG. That should help the plants out as well. I was saying that it said to use type I Bulbs but the kind I want is the swirly bulbs. Steve H. is right, the fish mulm is what's constantly feeding the plant soil. That's why once established, you only have to do water changes every few months. Also, I wanted to get some Flourish but wanted to know if it'll help. I'll return the bottle of Stability which doesn't work which will get me a $12 gift card and I'll buy a bottle of Prime and Flourish if there's enough money left. But will the Flouish help?
 
I want to do a water change just to kill the cloudiness a little. So what do you think of my tank?
 
I think your off to a good start.
Obviously it is a little thin right now because you just recently planted. I suggest a little hardscape might punch it up a bit until your grass fills in.

Maybe hold off on the water change. That haze hangs on, and you will get some tannins for a bit. It's natural. You can add carbon to the filter to polish the water and get rid of both the tannins and the haze.
 
Well I have no tannins but I think the cloudiness is mainly from the sand not being washed well enough and the mistake I made with the dirt. I'm really loving this method.
 
Well I have no tannins but I think the cloudiness is mainly from the sand not being washed well enough and the mistake I made with the dirt. I'm really loving this method.
I'm not sold on the method yet, but its still early as I'm only a month and a half in.

Hopefully the benefits outweigh the mess it creates everytime I want to move or add something.
 
Well thanks for your help. You seem to be a pretty good planted tank advocate. What does everyone else of my setup?
 
I'm getting some of my sword melting but there's a patch in the middle that's becoming thicker so that's good. So would trimming help them to grow faster. Which plants should I trim and how?
 
I'm getting some of my sword melting but there's a patch in the middle that's becoming thicker so that's good. So would trimming help them to grow faster. Which plants should I trim and how?
Easy buddy....your in the waiting game now. You planted Saturday, right? I doubt your plants have had a chance to root themselves yet.
Don't prune anything yet...let everything root, and show positive growth signs.

Your grass will grow and fill in, but it is not going to be rapid. I would guess for the desired effect you want you are looking at 8 months to a year....maybe even longer before it completely fills in.
 
The only thing I'd say is that although this is good in principle you're going to have to be extremely careful about removing plants when you decide to move stuff around. The sand will definitely end up mixed up with the soil below... it wont look particularly great. But I'd be a little bit worried about what it might leach into the tank when really exposed...
 
I'm a little confused about what npt tank means? I think it's great to see another soil based aquarium though with that said, I'm going to be the bearer of bad news. Capping soil with sand brings a few problems which will start as soon as you need to clean the tank. With a cap that thin the dirt will surface. And if you cap the dirt with too much the dirt will not work as it's supposed to as the dense sand will stop air reaching the dirt...


Fascinating princible although I forsee a problem. What happens when your plants use up all the nutriants in the soil (I cant keep saying "dirt")? If it was my garden I would just dig in some more compost but thats gona be hard to do in a tank.

If set up correctly the dirt will last upto 10 years. In short and in real basic terms it converts waste and replenishes itself.
 
Here's a picture of my tank a few hours ago. From what you can see the sword in the front of the Cambomba on the left has sprouted 2 new shoots. I also did a 40% water change. It seems to be getting thicker every day.
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