Here We Go Again!

Topped up to 3ppm instead of 5ppm incase that's too much for my filter to handle.

If I've done anything wrong let me know, I'll be back online later this evening so I can put it right tonight after work.

Many Thanks

Vicki
 
OK, 4 weeks in now, here are my most recent results:

23rd: Ammonia = 2ppm, Nitrite = 0, Nitrate = 7.5

(I then done as close to 100% water change as possible and the tank then read .50ppm ammonia. I added 5ml and tested a few hours later and it only read about 2ppm but didn't want to add any more ammonia so left it at 2ppm).

24th: Ammonia = 1.5ppm

25th: Ammonia = 1.25ppm

26th: Ammonia = 1.25ppm, Nitrite = 0

27th: Ammonia = 1.25ppm

28th (today): Ammonia = 1ppm, Nitrite = 0, Nitrate = 10, pH = 8, KH = 11!

How do these results look? Thought that it was gonna stall again at 1.25 over the weekend but looks like it might be moving again now.

Is there anything else I could do?

Many Thanks
 
some cycles just seem to take that bit longer with no real explanation I'm afraid, we've ruled out everything that we can test for or usually come across. in reality there's so many variables in our home aquariums that we simply can't test for so we can't always determine what the limiting factor is. :dunno:
 
Hi Vicki,

I know MW has been following along on your case so she knows what shorthand you use for reporting your results.

I need to be reminded again of it.

When you report ammonia at 1.25 for several days and then 1.0 today...

Does that mean each day you added 3ppm ammonia and it dropped to the number you are reporting after 24 hours, or 12 hours?

And I assume you are not reporting nitrite because it is spiked each day to as high as the API test goes, right?

~~waterdrop~~
 
Hi WD,

I'm doing the add and wait method so I added close to 2ppm last wednesday (after 100% WC) and nothing since as it has never hit 0 in the 4 weeks its been running. However today the ammonia was at about 0.75ppm.

Nope not reporting the Nitrite as it's still at 0 ever since the water change. The Nitrates are not rising either.

Will do another full report tomorrow :good:

Vicki
 
Todays readings are:

Ammonia = 0.25ppm so will hopefully top up to 2-3ppm later on this eve
Nitrite = 0
Nitrate = 7.5
pH = 8

Vicki
 
If you still need help with filter seeding, read my PM I hope you got...

Andy
 
Hi Guys,

I hope you get your cycle going, Ive just set up 2 tanks one cycled and one is on the way after a few hiccups like yourself...

In reading your posts I read that you fill up from a hose from the tap and then add your dechlorinators etc is that right?

Would this not kill off the bacteria if fresh tap water gets to them b4 the dechlorinators etc are mixed through the water?

I always thought you had to mix in the chemicals etc to your water then add it to your tank?

Hope im not throwing in my tuppence worth out of place but when I couldnt find answers in my own tanks its maybe woth looking at every aspect to see whats up and from what you have written this seems to be different??

Good luck the guys in here will deffo get you going.. :good:
 
Someone said as long as you double up with the dechlor then it should be ok.

Also I have an external which is only switched back on once a sufficient amount of dechlor is in there.

Sorry Andy, for some reason must of turned off the alerts for my PM's as I have 4 unread in there... Oops.

Have work now but will certainly reply later or more likely tomorrow.

Cheers
 
Hi locust and tag,

I'd like to address both of your last posts. First, tag, yes this is exactly what a thinking person would conclude (that you shouldn't pour that chlorinated/chloraminated water straight into the tank and have it be pumped through the filter where the precious bacteria are..) BUT, in practice this is another of those things that comes out a little more oddly than that: It has been reported in a number of long threads by the very experienced fishkeepers that they in fact just dump tap water in via a hosepipe, without conditioning (!), and have never had their filters or fish suffer. On the other hand, a few others, also experienced, have warned that they have experienced loss of fish this way.

Personally, I've taken a middle path (actually based on what RDD does, the writer of the fishless article, who I think is pretty good at keeping a middle ground... and I think a lot of other TFFers do this too..) I personally think that relatively new tanks have much more fragile bacterial populations and less stability, so I think the use of conditioner is especially important for beginners. (I think the experienced ones often have very well established filter populations which are very tough.) I think its perfectly fine to add conditioner directly to the tank water and tap water directly also at the same time.

However, I like to calculate how much conditioner I'm supposed to use for the amount of tap water that will be added. I then put in HALF that amount near the start of direct filling, and add the OTHER HALF at the end. And here's a new twist: locust is correct in hearing that people often spash in an "over-amount", even double the recommended dose. And in fact there are some good reasons (water authorities sometimes put quite a lot of chlor products in the tap water and you want to get them all) to be sure to do the recommended amount, BUT one of the latest things we've recently heard from the bacteriologists is that in fact it may be that our bacteria, the N-Bacs in particular I believe, do NOT like too much conditioner.

So, my current conclusion is to use all of the amount recommended but not to go too much over (unfortunately less convenient than being able to go overboard as in the past.) Sorry this was so convoluted...

~~waterdrop~~
 
Sorry to keep posting on my boring topic but since I added the 6ml of ammonia at 10pm on the 30th taking the ammonia to just over 2ppm the readings have been:

31st July: Ammonia 1.5ppm Nitrite 0
1st August: Ammonia 0.75ppm Nitrite 0

I haven't tested the nitrate yet as I haven't had time but I'm still a little concerned that the nitrite isn't rising at all.

My cycle is far from the norm and was wondering if the ammonia might only be dropping due to the amount of live plants I've got in there? It's not heavily planted but as a rough guide my tank is 260litres and I have:

2xTiger lotus
5xSagitarria Subulata
2xHairgrass
1xAnubias Nana
5xAmazon swords grouped together
1xvallis torta
1xred ludwigia
1xhygrphila polysperma
1xjava fern
1xwillow leaf
5xlittle bits of crypt nevellii

Could it also be possible that as the tank has been running for 33 days and before I did the water change on 23rd June a tiny bit of Nitrite was showing and my nitrates were higher that I have got a little population of NBACS and the nitrate is then being used up by my plants?

Or possibly the test kit has stopped working lol I'll go mad after having to use my brain thinking of weird and wonderful ideas :blush:

Will rush off to test Nitrates now but I reckon they'll still be at 7.5-10...

Vicki
 
Ammonia will be readily taken up by plants, as will nitrites and nitrates.

Depending on how heavily planted your tank is, the presence of plants will confound your results. Note I say results, and hence will confuse you if you are expecting 'classsic' cycling results. The presence of plants means that your tank will take longer to cycle. It is interesting to note that some very experienced fish keepers when setting up a new tank will heavily plant on day #1 and add 75% stock of fish on day #2. Choose the right plants and they will act as natural filters. TBH, I subscribe to this method.

From what I read here:

1/ I think your tank is cycling.

2/ The cycling of your tank is taking slightly longer due to plants taking up ammonia etc. that would otherwise feed & hence grow your bacterial colony.

3/ This is NOT a bad thing. I would say there are some good indications here that your tank is off to a good start. The fact that ammonia is being taken up by your plants (I say this because nitrite & nitrate remain low when one would expect them to now start rising) indicates healthy plants, this means to me, healthy environment.

4/ Just as an aside, do you know what is the pH of the water?

Cheers for now,

Andy
 
pH of the water is a steady 8 now after initially being 7.6 for a few weeks.

The KH is 11.

Still haven't had a chance to test Nitrate, rabbits decided to be a little naughty...

Will try to do that now
 
Oh, now I feel a little stupid the Nitrate is reading 15 today!

So why still no nitrite?

Will test everything again tomorrow and the ammonia again tonight to see if I should add some more if it's reached 0.

For now though just to clarify I've added some photo's of my tank (please excuse the algea, I haven't yet had a chance to do my daily clean up of the unsightly stuff). As you can see it's not heavily planted but probably more than enough to make a difference. I bought the sag sub from an online store and it appears to be another type of sagitaria and the only plant thats not doing so well.

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