Help With Sick Betta - Update With Recovery Pics

[Janene]

Thank you again.

I Will keep the photos, they are on my photobucket account. So they will likely just stay there.
He is a pretty bad case isnt he?

This morning (and last night) he spent a lot of time burrowed down head first in his grass. I assume this is because it feels good to itch against it? He doesn't come out unless I coax him out with food. No change in the spots today, but I guess I can't expect an overnight miracle. Edwards still alive, so thats the main thing (sorry should have mentioned his name more)

Funnily enough, I was asking at the pet store about cycling, and surprise surprise they've never heard of it.
I've learnt so much the past couple of days - it's amazing at the things I didn't know.

Anyway, I will continue to update his progress.
So, I will do another round of tests of the water today?
I'll also do a round of tests on the tap water as requested.

Edit
So should I do another water change? Or only if the ammonia or Nitrate levels are above .25?

 

[loraxchick]

if you do a water change make sure you dont have to redose (which i assume you would have to- not sure tho as ive never treated for disease like whitespot)...but if your do do a water change and will have to up the meds appropriately, id suggest doing a 15% (quarter dose) or 50 % (half dose) when you do...and dont forget to dechlorinate. Hope things get better soon! it is really great that he's eating. lookin' good.

 

[Janene]

Thanks Lora

Todays tank readings:

High PH Range - Approx 7.5
Ammonia - Slightly higher than yesterday, but still well under 0.25
Nitrite - Close to 0.0 perhaps slightly higher
Nitrate - Between 0.0 and 5

Will do the tap water this afternoon.

 

[LauraFrog]

Water stats sound fine... if you have to do a water change because the ammonia or nitrites are up, you can just dose enough of the med to treat the new water. Your tank is approaching cycled, so that's good! Most fish with whitespot flick or rub, so the grass thing is pretty normal - it irritates the skin, so they try to rub it off. There should be a noticeable difference in a few days - remember to keep up the treatment when the spots are gone, because the time when the medication actually kills the parasite is when they fall off the fish and live in the gravel. So you're killing the ones that are in the gravel now, and as the rest of them complete their life cycle, they will get killed as well. You can probably stop the treatment a week to a fortnight after the disappearance of all the spots.

 

[electric yellow]

My ramjet is covered like that today

 

[Janene]

*hugs* I hope Ramjet pulls through. If it's any consolation Edward is still doing ok, and he was a pretty bad case

Update:
Well I'm so tempted to treat daily, but will hold off as the treatment says every 3 days. Although they told me at the store that they do it every 2 days if they get a case of whitespot. Do you think it would be ok to treat again tomorrow?

Edward is still buried head first in the grassy plants. Although he does come up for air regulary, then dives back down again. But last night with the light off I caught him swimming around merrily. I hope that continues to be a good sign. I'm not sure, but he looks to have less spots then yesterday, it's hard to tell though because he has so many still!
When should I expect to see a noticable sign of less spots?

Thanks again.

Here's some shots just taken. His spots don't seem as severe as yesterday..

 

[LauraFrog]

The medication doesn't actually kill the spots on the fish, it kills them when they fall off into the gravel. They will go through their normal life cycle which includes a 'dormant' phase in the gravel, and when they fall off Edward the med will kill them all. So the time to no spots will depend on the speed of the life cycle of the parasite... higher temperatures speed it up, so how high have you gotten the temp to?

 

[CeeJayy]

He looks like he has alot less spots than your last photo post. Good luck on giving him the all clear!

 

[Janene]

I have the Temp set at 30, which its been at for two days now.

 

[Janene]

Well although Edward seemed to pick up a lot yesterday, today he is not looking so good.
I'm not sure what the problem is, but he seems to have more spots? But they aren't big and noticable
as the last lot? (although he still has some big ones) this is more like a faint speckle? He is also duller in
colour.....

He just all round looks unwell.
I saw something in Ramjets thread about gas bubbles, do you think this is a possibility?
I will try to get a pic this afternoon to show what I mean.
I've increased the air supply in the tank and will see how that goes....
I just want to make sure I'm doing everything I can to save him??


Since searching the net, I believe it may be Velvet? Is that the case do you think,
and if so, can I continue to treat that too with the whitespot treatment??? or do I
need something else?

 

[Janene]

Ok here's some pics... (please see the previous post # 40 for the problem)
Sorry they aren't the best - he didn't really want to come out of his grassy nole to pose for the camera.
But you can see the spots aren't as white - and seem to be covering him even more than before.

 

[Janene]

Anyone?

 

[LauraFrog]

Okay, this is over my head... I'm dragging Wilder in here. (Wilder is the resident forum expert on anything and everything that goes wrong with fish. Whenever somebody is utterly clueless, the unfortunate Wilder gets bombarded with PMs.)

I'd expect velvet to be a bit golder than that... I could be wrong but I don't really know.

 

[Janene]

Thanks Laura, I appreciate any help you can give.
I mean his "mood" hasn't changed much, although he seems somewhat more sluggish.
And he still has that very "droopy" look about him.

I called in to another pet store on my lunch from work.
They said to just keep treating him for whitespot....Big Help!!

 

[electric yellow]

Okay, this is over my head... I'm dragging Wilder in here. (Wilder is the resident forum expert on anything and everything that goes wrong with fish. Whenever somebody is utterly clueless, the unfortunate Wilder gets bombarded with PMs.)

I'd expect velvet to be a bit golder than that... I could be wrong but I don't really know.

Lol thats what i did!

How long have you been treating him for and with what?