Guppy Going Almost Black On Head

[bikerfish]

Hi not sure if I have done the right thing but bought some EKTOL bac which is made by jbl I have done quick clean of sand and cleaned filter in tank water and taken out the carbons also 30% water change, This one has 2 dif bottles you have to put in and have only half dosed as advised because of my cories . The first bottle , the liqiud is dark blue so can not see fish now as to what is happening so how the hell are you suppose to watch them for the first hour or so plus it will kill of most of my good bacteria
I have turned up my airstone to the max and also filter so lots of airiation and water movement for the fish all crossed now to see if this helps
On a good note I have bought the fish a treat for dinner live brine shrimps yummyyyyy
cathy

 

[PrairieSunflower]

Sorry, wasn't suggesting you try those meds, just saying thats what I am using with my own fish.

 

[bikerfish]

Hi prairesunflower

 

[bikerfish]

Sorry did not mean to give you that impresstion (crap spelling) it was really the only next step I could take to try and save my fish from what is causing this , which seems to be a problem with guppys , even the lfs which I go to did not seem to no so this meds covers a range of things so hoping it will sort problem out all crossed
On a great note 2 of my bronze cories do not seem to have a problem with the meds as busy getting it on at the mo yey
what meds have you put in your tank ? hope it is helping to stop your other guppys from catching this
cathy

 

[PrairieSunflower]

The first fish I euthanized thinking it was possibly parasites and hoping to contain it... the second may or may not be the same issue, just can't tell... I was going to get the Interpet Anti Internal Bacteria meds then the fish seemed to get ich, so I started treating that... fish ended up dieing and I've quit the ich treatment on the others as I'm not sure it was that (even though it did look like 2 ich spots)... I've had to make sure the meds are cleared from the water so only just started the Interpet meds... just hoping it clears anything that might be festering.... more a time will tell issue... hopefully I'm not posting again in a few weeks!

 

[bikerfish]

Hi prairiesunflower
Sorry you have lost another fish, it is all ways sad I hope this next lot of meds will help
This meds have turned water a great shade of blue , so thinking might swap lighting over once sorted as the fish seem really happy and swimming around .
Since putting the meds in 1 of my keyholes is having the biggest poo and started of normal colour and has now gone white but thick so not sure if meds are making it have a good clear out but odd as it is white so now thinking maybe it could be some sort of bacterial going on in tank .
As only half dosed not sure whether to put other half in tomorrow or wait the 5 days and just redose as a precaution if the cories stay ok with it .
cathy

 

[snazy]

This article is for salt water fish and vibrosis but apparently fresh water tropicals can get affected too. The description of the symptoms kind of fits what you've been dealing with so I decided to pop it in just in case it's worth mentioning:

Cold vibriosis (Vibrio salmonicida) Hitra disease
The bacterium induces an infection in salmon and rainbow trout in sea or saline water. The disease is seen in all seasons, but is most difficult to deal with in wintertime.

Symptoms:
Fish become lethargic with irregular and abnormal swimming movements and balance and appetite is poor. Pathological changes vary. A sick fish can be almost without symptoms, but in other cases the changes may be very distinct. Usually the fish grows darker and has redness or bleeding on the belly, especially near the fins. The redness is due to increased blood flow and the damage of the veins and capillaries. The skin takes on a rough aspect due to edema in the scale sacs. The gills become pale, but otherwise look fairly normal. The cloaca swells and becomes protruded.

 

[bikerfish]

Hi Snazy
It does seem like this could be the answer so hoping the meds I have put in will cover this as it has a wide spectrum .
Will look for some more info on this cheers
cathy

 

[snazy]

It's caused by a gram negative type of bacteria so maybe most broad medications like the JBL you are trying out will cover it.

 

[bikerfish]

Hi as only half dosed today as having cories in tank , will put other half in tomorrow after work , all fish seem really happy except for 4 of my skunk cories but keeping close eye on them , all fish whopped down the live brine shrimp earlier as kept close eye to make sure all fish were eating
Will keep an update when needed but looking likley it is the bacterial vibriosis as had a read up so will just have to see if the 3 guppys make a good recovery from this all crossed .
Thankyou again for all the in put as I feel you can always get great advice on here Wilder , prairesunflower and snazy
cathy

 

[WILDER]

bikerfish you did treat for internal parasites?

It still doesn't account for 3 fish with a curved spine.

Vibrosis

Symptoms:

The signs of vibriosis are similar to many other bacterial diseases of fish. They usually start with lethargy and a loss of appetite. As the disease progresses, the skin may become discolored, red and necrotic (dead). Boil-like sores may appear on the body, occasionally breaking through the skin surface resulting in large, open sores. Bloody blotches (erythema) are common around the fins and mouth. When the disease becomes systemic, it can cause exophthalmia ("pop-eye"), and the gut and rectum may be bloody and filled with fluid. It should be noted that all of these "signs" can be caused by other bacterial diseases, and are not proof of a Vibrio infection.


Cause:

The bacterium Vibrio parahaemolyticus. Vibrio bacteria are common in the gut of healthy fish, however, stress can give these bacteria a foothold and allow them to spread rapidly. If they are allowed to reproduce unchecked, they can cause the above symptoms in their host. Under certain conditions, the bacteria may be capable of crossing the intestinal wall, resulting in a systemic infection.


fish-disease.net

 

[snazy]

It's quite possible that the fish have multiple diseases, like parasitic and bacterial at the same time, taking into account the scratching in one case and the itch like spots of the other case.

 

[WILDER]

Thanks snazy for you input.

 

[PrairieSunflower]

Snazy... wondering if your contribution might have fit my fish from my "slow motion guppy" thread... I am currently treating my remaining fish with anti internal bacteria meds.


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A few months ago, I had a tank disaster (different tank than current troubles) and the symptoms were so varied I never could manage to treat and save my fish.... everything from 1-2 clamped side fins, to bent spines, to cloudy colors on fins, to bubbles sticking to their slime coat, to waxy looking patches, to fin rot and so on I can't remember then all anymore. My tank stats had been good before treatment but did have troubles during treatment. None of those fish survived though.... and I'm still none the wiser about what happened.

 

[WILDER]

Tiny bubbles on fish body can sometimes mean the fish is about to break out in whitespot.

Waxy patches can be fish pox.

Fish Pox

Symptoms:

Fish pox is characterized by white, pink or gray wax-like growths on the skin and fins.


Cause:

Viral infection that occurs most often in cool and cold-water fish, particularly Koi. These symptoms seem to progress to a point, then gradually subside, lasting for 7-10 days. This disease can become chronic, with the symptoms recurring regularly.


Treatment:

There is no known treatment. Fortunately, however, the illness is not usually fatal and does not appear to be contagious. The healing process can be speeded up by increasing water quality and the temperature.

fish-disease.net.