Google's AI is still broken

[GaryE]

I just read a sports article 'written with the help of AI'. It started with news on one sport, but then switched to a different sport halfway, then back again. I suspect this was because it misinterpreted one word similar in both games. So a free agent baseball player apparently is also a professional hockey player known for hitting.

Human editors will be eliminated, but for now, we're still needed. But since commercial AI is about eliminating human costs as part of profitability, good luck with that even now. I clicked on the AI article, so it was profitable even if it was garbage. That's what matters.

 

[jaylach]

I actually just experienced an AI chat that actually helped. My NOOK account was linked to an email that no longer exists since I shut down my web hosting and emails. Everything NOOK still works but I can't get the book order confirmations as the linked email no longer exists. Everything still works with Nook but I can't get the order confirmations. I can even still log in to NOOK on my systems but can't change anything as they want to send an email with a verification code that I can't get.

So enter the AI chat. I explained the issue and actually got a useful response. Create a new account and then start another AI chat. Answer the AI questions and I'll be transferred to a human that can associate the eBooks ordered with the old account to the new account. I haven't finished the process but the NOOK AI chat gave concise answers that should work.

 

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I actually just experienced an AI chat that actually helped. My NOOK account was linked to an email that no longer exists since I shut down my web hosting and emails. Everything NOOK still works but I can't get the book order confirmations as the linked email no longer exists. Everything still works with Nook but I can't get the order confirmations. I can even still log in to NOOK on my systems but can't change anything as they want to send an email with a verification code that I can't get.

So enter the AI chat. I explained the issue and actually got a useful response. Create a new account and then start another AI chat. Answer the AI questions and I'll be transferred to a human that can associate the eBooks ordered with the old account to the new account. I haven't finished the process but the NOOK AI chat gave concise answers that should work.

“ The rise of the machine and the fall of man “ . - Brew meister Henry in Strange Brew .

 

[jaylach]

“ The rise of the machine and the fall of man “ . - Brew meister Henry in Strange Brew .

Don't need AI for the "fall of man" We have been working on our own destruction for over 100 years... Actually, since the introduction of projectile weapons much earlier such as the bow and arrow. We can now just kill a lot more people with one arrow. If things keep escalating we WILL have a third world war which few will survive. Too many falsely think they can win a nuke war. Just not going to happen.

I find it quite sad that we want to kill everyone that does not agree with our views. We will probably make humans extinct before AI has a chance to do so.

 

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Don't need AI for the "fall of man" We have been working on our own destruction for over 100 years... Actually, since the introduction of projectile weapons much earlier such as the bow and arrow. We can now just kill a lot more people with one arrow. If things keep escalating we WILL have a third world war which few will survive. Too many falsely think they can win a nuke war. Just not going to happen.

I find it quite sad that we want to kill everyone that does not agree with our views. We will probably make humans extinct before AI has a chance to do so.

You got that right Jay ! We have been working steadily towards our own demise . For myself I don’t have a problem with anybody else in the world or what they think . The politicians and “ leaders “ are the ones stirring up the discontent and I have a hard time believing that a regular guy in any country you want to name really wishes anybody else mayhem or destruction . I think most guys just want to live a peaceful life at home without the threat of everything getting blown , vaporized and burnt to smithereens . Only a maniac would think that’s something to consider as a solution to anything . Sadly , it’s maniacs that are in charge . Something that causes me some degree of concern is that I don’t think people these days are as scared of atomic bombs as they should be . Those things can generate heat rivaling the sun and people are only miles and not millions of miles from it . Heaven help us all if some nut pushes the button .

 

[jaylach]

You got that right Jay ! We have been working steadily towards our own demise . For myself I don’t have a problem with anybody else in the world or what they think . The politicians and “ leaders “ are the ones stirring up the discontent and I have a hard time believing that a regular guy in any country you want to name really wishes anybody else mayhem or destruction . I think most guys just want to live a peaceful life at home without the threat of everything getting blown , vaporized and burnt to smithereens . Only a maniac would think that’s something to consider as a solution to anything . Sadly , it’s maniacs that are in charge . Something that causes me some degree of concern is that I don’t think people these days are as scared of atomic bombs as they should be . Those things can generate heat rivaling the sun and people are only miles and not millions of miles from it . Heaven help us all if some nut pushes the button .

Agreed but atomics are not the total problem as to human destruction. For me the biggest extinction level bomb is the neutron. It will just kill anything organic without destroying structures. These weapons may even be worse as organic also means plants and animals. Those that may survive the initial war would starve to death; extinction level event.

Let's just admit that we can't deal with our selves and turn the world over to dolphins. At least they are not out to destroy the planet.

Actually I have read articles that say the some species of octopus MAY be the next dominate intelligence species due to their problem solving abilities and the eight 'arms' being able to overcome the lack of an opposing thumb.

 

[TwoTankAmin]

Be patient. Give the AIs time to develop. Then they will be trying to kill each other. So all we have to worry about is the one that wins.

Consider this. If you were an advanced race and were trying to invent the perfect AI it would have to be organic, capable of learned on its own and able to manipulate the environment to some extent. The advanced rate would likely invent human beings.....

 

[jaylach]

Be patient. Give the AIs time to develop. Then they will be trying to kill each other. So all we have to worry about is the one that wins.

Consider this. If you were an advanced race and were trying to invent the perfect AI it would have to be organic, capable of learned on its own and able to manipulate the environment to some extent. The advanced rate would likely invent human beings.....

While not AI specific 30 years ago an institution developed organic as to memory. It uses a protein matrix as the base with bacteria as to the actual storage. It was big in scientific journals for a while than thee was nothing. Political influence killed that one.

 

[GaryE]

I doubt we'll blow ourselves up. We have an economic system that has to grow to survive. We have finite resources. We like the growth, but we'll hit a wall and technology probably won't solve that. We've failed to figure out an alternative economic model.
We won't need to blow ourselves up - with overpopulation and galloping growth, this tank will crash. We'll fight wars over resources and blow each other up locally. The planet will shrug us off as we're just another species among many and other life will find a way. That's at least encouraging!

As for AI, it's a tool. Right now, it wavers between crude, nasty and useful. I love what it can do with scientific data. There, it's useful. But it is going to be used to eliminate the 'middle class' and a lot of skilled jobs, and it will contribute to poverty and closed creative avenues. AI will be owned and used by its owners in the commercial and political domains. Tools stay in the hands of people, who use them, and the tech bros haven't been trying to make a Star Trek world.

Already, I see changes in the fish photography Facebook serves up. Photos are modified, colours are enhanced and fish are made commercially desirable by this tool. Is that a new cory group fish, or an AI doctored old one? It's become difficult to tell already, unless you already know the fish. In time, fewer and fewer people will have the real images to compare. That's going to happen on a broader scale than our tiny wee hobby. In politics, arts, and especially in propaganda...

 

[gimme30]

Name one movie where the helpful robot didn't turn out to be a human pest eliminator in the end.

 

[GaryE]

Name one movie where the helpful robot didn't turn out to be a human pest eliminator in the end.

We'll have AI generated movies with robot heroes.

And the whole Star Trek, the next generation dealt with robotics as a utopian force, where technology had eliminated need with replicators, and people could explore and develop creatively with no apparent class systems or earth based empires. Maybe Starfleet had already killed all the poor, but that would have been done by humans in the story, just the stuff all empires do. It wasn't on the robots in that saga. So we do have imagined stories where robots are cool.

Star Trek was nice, but the first version of Bladerunner felt more real... and even there, you can argue the robots were the good guys as much as any humans were.

 

[jaylach]

Name one movie where the helpful robot didn't turn out to be a human pest eliminator in the end.

Electric Dreams.

 

[TwoTankAmin]

I use two browsers- FireFox and Pale Moon. I pretty much update them when I am alerted to there being an update. Today I update Firefox and was informed it now had an AI function. it also said it could be turned off. They did not make it so easy to do so but I disabled it right away.

I do not want AI on anyhting on my PC. I have no use for it and I do not trust it. The closest I come to using AI is when I do a google search and it provides and AI answer. If I am doing a bunch of searching I will actually turn off the Google AI. What I do know is since Foogle incorporated AI into search at least 20^ of the time it causes me not to get an answer that is even related to the search terms I have entered. AI has actually made Google search less usefull for me than it has ever been.

I also have absolutely 0 interest in talking with an AI chat either. Basically, to the greatest extent possible, I want nothing to do with AI at all. I see little use for it on my PC and I do not trust it not to try stealing my data.

As far as I can tell the primary use of AI will be to become Big Brother. If you are unfamiliar with Bog Brother get a copy the below book:

Big Brother is a character and symbol in George Orwell's dystopian 1949 novel Nineteen Eighty-Four. He is ostensibly the leader of Oceania, a totalitarian state wherein the ruling party, Ingsoc, wields total power for its own sake over the inhabitants. His image appears everywhere on posters within Oceanian society as a metaphor for the Party's complete control of the population. Orwell was deeply concerned with the rise of totalitarianism in the 1930s and 1940s, particularly in Stalinist Russia and Nazi Germany and wrote his novel as a warning about the potential of a totalitarian leader destroying objective truth.

The ubiquitous slogan "Big Brother is watching you" serves as a constant reminder that Party members in Oceania are not entitled to privacy. They are subject to constant surveillance to ensure their ideological purity. This is primarily through omnipresent telescreens, two-way video devices used for broadcasting propaganda and for spying on individuals by the Thought Police. As the figurehead of the Party, Big Brother is omnipotent and the subject of a cult of personality, illustrated in the daily, ritualistic Two Minutes Hate, a mass demonstration of hatred for the enemy of the state, Emmanuel Goldstein and adoration for the leader, Big Brother.

"Big Brother" has become a synecdoche for abuse of power and mass surveillance, particularly with respect to civil liberties and loss of privacy.

 

[anewbie]

AI will always be broken because it is not AI it is information in/information out - and while it will improve over the time it lacks the ability to make sound deductive reasoning that is sometime required.

This is why it scares me when - for example - the defense department insist it should be allowed to make automagic weapons controlled by ai.

Because ai pulling the trigger - will always shoot first and ask questions later.

 

[TwoTankAmin]